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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan spring this week I'm

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coming to you from my hotel room in

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Washington DC why I'm here I can't quite

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give away just yet and yes I am pulling

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a Tom DeLonge to the stars Academy

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critics and fans will get that reference

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but I did want to let you know that this

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week I'm sharing with you a very special

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discussion I had while I was living in

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Los Angeles this past year I had the

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amazing opportunity to be part of a

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panel discussion at The Upright Citizens

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Brigade as part of the Hound Talde

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discussion series hosted by well-known

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comedian Moshe kasher joining us that

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night was Irish comedian Aisling B

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oscar-nominated writer Emily Gordon and

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oscar-nominated writer and featured

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actor on the x-files and The Twilight

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Zone

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mr. Kumail Nanjiani with that lineup

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I was a little intimidated but I also

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prepared for both a little ragging on

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and definitely for some well-needed

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laughs but I made sure to always bring

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the topic back to a level of sincerity

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and seriousness as it well deserves but

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just be warned if this is a comedy

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discussion sensitive ufologists out

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there may get a little offended and for

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that all I can say is I'm not sorry if

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you can't have a little sense of humor

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with all this please find another

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passion and hobby this was an amazing

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opportunity where I got to run these

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comedians and a live audience through

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over 70 years of UFO history leading up

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to the announcement of the secret

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Pentagon UFO program another warning

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this was recorded almost a year ago so

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many revelations about the a tip program

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and to the Stars Academy have been made

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since then so just keep that in mind

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when you hear us discussing it but other

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than that I hope you can sit back enjoy

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some levity in artists

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discussion on UFOs into Zoe's keep your

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feet on the ground as I Moshe kasher

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Ashlyn be Emily Gordon and Kumail

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Nanjiani keep searching for answers

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somewhere in the skies enjoy live at the

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UCB Franklin theatre for another episode

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of The Hound tall discussion series say

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hi everybody so now we're talking about

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UFOs do they exist well our guest expert

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definitely says that they do and we'll

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find out for ourselves right now put

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your hands together for him he is the

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author of somewhere in the skies Ryan

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Sprague ladies and gentlemen panelists

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Aisling be Emily Gordon and Kumail

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Nanjiani there they go so exciting oh

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wait Ryan no come sit next to me Kumail

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you go away okay sorry I'm trying to get

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Kumail back down to earth since his

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Academy Award nomination for an Academy

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Award but you do not have the problems

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with ego that Kumail does and I

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therefore do not need to bring you down

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to earth it's really not a big deal it's

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just an Academy Award [\h__\h] nomination

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I wish you'd stop bringing it up all the

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time well you know what actually I

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thought this would be a cool a cool

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opportunity because it's probably the

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last podcast you'll book due before the

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awards right and I just thought why

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don't you go ahead and just do your

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speech for just for us right now the

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last podcast we're doing period you're

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like Camille already said yes it was

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like Camille you're doing podcasting she

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needs she needs the help you're doing

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you're doing them at you're doing them

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again I just love the idea of like

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Kumail coming home all Death of a

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Salesman style putting his briefcase

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down Emily that's the last podcast do

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but I like we need you as a guest oh I'm

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too old for that [\h__\h] yeah classic Death

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of a Salesman reference Kumail I was

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doing a I don't know what you're talking

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about who are you up against you were

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these other Pro up against tonight on

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this podcast

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Aisling be ladies and gentlemen there

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she is that's her dulcet Irish tones

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time I just only between like 9 p.m. at

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night and three o'clock in the morning

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so like ghosts vampires aliens and

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crystals and you start to believe in

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crystals finally yeah we all believe in

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crystal gems of all kinds she's showing

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a necklace way different gentleman Emily

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you not I'm absolute believer and it's

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the only thing I'm frightened of oh why

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are you afraid of them because I don't

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get them hmm and I watched a lot of

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unsolved mysteries as a kid and the

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whole idea is that you don't know they

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could be taking you over on a nightly

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basis and you just don't know so I was

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haven't been taken in the night and then

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and did not swerve like 9 9 the ages of

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you've been taken by aliens there's no

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other way of knowing country Ireland

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no we murdered a lot of children and we

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were embarrassed by it

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welcome back we thought x-files was a

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documentary and nobody told us and we're

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embarrassed but we moved on Kumail what

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about you you believe her I think so

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yeah of all the fish that like I don't

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believe in ghosts or vampires a Bigfoot

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or UFOs is the only one of that whole

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group that I think that there's a very

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real possibility Ryan uh do you resent

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the idea like everybody's been framing

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this already from I don't believe in

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ghosts specters poltergeists but I kind

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of do believe in does it does it stick

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in your craw that it's even categorized

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with those things it's tough because the

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way I look at it the UFO or alien

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phenomenon could impact the world in

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many different ways whereas I don't

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think many people feel threatened by a

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ghost came up with a three-letter word

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for I am threatening you I take your

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point though right you're saying

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essentially that because of how how

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potentially real this is it feels like

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it more could fall under the category of

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possible science rather than

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supernatural I think so yeah I mean if

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you think about a an alien civilization

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ladies and gentlemen science speaks for

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itself man

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Liz science me listeners at home I don't

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know what to tell you except that from

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this as he said ghosts are scary

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let's go sneezed on us thank you for

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laughing it did not deserve it it didn't

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deserve it I'm not joking I think it did

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the possible changing of the world that

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UFOs could bring about I read your book

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I read a good portion of it and it

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starts off with your well it's difficult

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to get everything no it's not the book

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is very good easy to get through it's a

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page-turner

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I just I'm busy anyway Ryan you start

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the book off with your own personal

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experience of a UFO sighting and I

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wondered if you could take us through

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what happened just tell the story yeah

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that wasn't even kumail that was this

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specter that has a period yes so uh I

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was 12 years old I was 1996 I had a

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bloody nose and I was fishing off a dock

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I was away with my parents at camp and

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another world this was in upstate New

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and I was fishing and I looked up and I

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saw three white lights and a triangular

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formation mm-hmm and completely silent I

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I didn't see like a structured craft if

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you will but I could not see like the

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coming down at nighttime nighttime yeah

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what'd you say stories starting to fall

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apart

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okay so it's nighttime all of a sudden

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you look up there's three there are

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three lights to quote Captain Picard and

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that's the Cape cut and and you can't

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see past the lights correct yeah yeah

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completely silent all I could hear was

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like the water hitting the dock where I

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was fishing and but you were still

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fishing at this planet that's a

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committed fisherman right there these

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maybe you should have finished the book

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like page to chapter 42 it was perch mr.

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Issa okay so what happened are you

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scared are you you're years old you're

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terrified I was [\h__\h] terrified man

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yeah I I screamed for my dad to come out

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he was inside our camp that's kind of

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weak up the other way screw that did he

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come he came out he came out he saw the

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tail under this thing as it floated

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silently over the water towards Canada

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well it smart aliens huh twenty years

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some shits gonna go down here

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we don't want to be here for us to tudo

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and beyond question does see what your

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dad saw is it did he see enough of it to

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be like that was crazy or is he like I

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don't know what I saw you know yeah I so

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again he saw like the tail end of it so

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to him he thought it was a plane it

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could have been it could have been

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anything

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I saw it directly over me it was huge

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whatever the hell this thing was and it

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just floated silently and that's the

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thing that really got to me was like a

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Prius but this is 96

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we are pre Prius yeah yeah so good night

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in a Prius well you a kid at that point

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who was prone to believe in us will you

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like sort of the kind of kid who was

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like looking for UFOs and and that kind

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of stuff no not at you that's the right

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answer Ryan by the way that's the one I

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wanted from you yeah I was really

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leading you did you watch on solve

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mysteries growing up I I did see it on

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occasion the music scared this [\h__\h] yeah

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the music was terrified most people that

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went upset with the arsonist and the guy

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watching if anybody also did you we were

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talking backstage at the time-life books

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oh I had those yeah did you have those

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before after this incident man I'm

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trying to figure when those came out

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those books this is like to say that

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white privilege one oh why another I

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know you had the books for sure now did

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you get the books before or after uni

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doing a pro experience no child did not

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have those books yeah they come with

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your white car

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do you remember those commercials Emily

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yes oh it was so in flight it just the

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stories would be so incendiary be like

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and then aliens came down grab the man

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what happened next

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read the book don't have to find out

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yeah and I stole them from the library

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but they'd go sorry got your street cred

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gorgeous artwork so sometimes I would

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just steal pages out of them after

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reading them what a monstrous thing to

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do others from solving the crime yeah

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that's right the mystery stay done song

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yeah it's me

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tearing worried yeah you're like a young

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hip Jessica Fletcher don't never work

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out it was me the whole time that's

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exactly right

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that's sort of myself so far we've refer

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to Death of a Salesman unsolved

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mysteries Lethal Weapon Murder She Wrote

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toast so Ryan come any other questions

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but keep going I just want to know more

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about yeah tell us more of what was

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happening to you physiologically at the

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time that you saw this because it was

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more I don't want and uh would your dick

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get hard or what was going on look at me

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bro shook it was always hard that's what

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he was fishing with that was no line but

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but you do describe your physiological

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reaction to seeing these lights so

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because I don't want to paint a picture

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of that like in the in the book it

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really struck me how intensive and

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experience this was for it was more than

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just seeing three lights in the sky you

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were you felt a vibration in the air

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tell tell us more about what it felt

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like physically I could like and maybe

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it was adrenaline something like that I

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was definitely scared I felt threatened

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I felt this vibration throughout my

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whole body my hair was sticking up my

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hair was sticking up sorry and a just

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hair was sticking up chemist

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Wow do you know your hair was taking up

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well you're like a better get my fishing

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mirror okay or do you does could you

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feel the spike in it of your like on all

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your hair in your arm which is also a

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great series of books from our era

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because somebody wanted to reference

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another thing from did you have the like

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alright Hitler haircut at the time but

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after that um II know I used to have the

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haircut no no but I just do like the

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image of you hair standing on it anyway

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whatever little mustache goes up

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whatever okay so Ryan what yeah what

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else

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and then as it as it disappeared into

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the skyline what are you thinking do you

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think I just saw an alien craft or youth

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or what do you think what's what's your

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process yeah I mean at that time like I

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mean I was only twelve but sort of my my

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limited knowledge of aviation I I knew

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that what I was looking at was not like

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a plane I'd ever seen before

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I knew that whatever it was it was

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silent there was no like propulsion to

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it and I was just confused I had no clue

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what I was looking at and for my father

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to say like it was playing there was a

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plane to try to calm me down like that

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helped in the moment but I just I became

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so curious after that that I wanted to

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keep you know pursuing what did you like

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to tell your friends about it did you

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like to think about it for weeks and

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weeks like what happened and how did the

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people around you take it um I I didn't

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tell anyone for years and years Wow

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yeah III what I would go to the library

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and take a book there were pages were

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I'm white trash white party and yeah he

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became obsessed for that

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I mean stacks of books I would take home

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on like UFOs Loch Ness monster like all

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this crazy [\h__\h] because sort of this

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door was open for me that whatever was

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happening out there whenever we were

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being told was happening wasn't the

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whole story and I'll just say that I

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when you sent you sent me a bunch of

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material to look at and and when I got

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the material I would say that I was

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probably a pretty heavy skeptic I

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believe in alien life because it just

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seems pretty obvious that at some point

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there's gonna be alien life out there

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but in terms of UFOs visiting earth or

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wherever they may or may not have come

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from I would say I was a skeptic by the

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end of looking through the the material

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you sent me I don't think it's really up

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for debate that there has been some

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something has come to this planet maybe

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it came from this planet maybe it came

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from somewhere else but let us so let's

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go back in history and just get to the

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our modern understanding of it like the

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military and the government's

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involvement in a cover-up of whatever

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the craft that has been seen maybe it

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started when I mean well what what are

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some of the early sightings that we

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refer to you you were telling me about

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one that happened even before Roswell

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right that happened here in Los Angeles

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right yeah it's one of the first I guess

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recorded once in modern UFO history we

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call it Ashley's doing silent there's no

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comedy on the podcast right now I'll be

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I'll be using the miracle I am sure

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going up like you

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okay Bryan yes so before Roz while

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you're telling me there was there was

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actually a documented UFO visit here in

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Los Angeles right 1941 it was called the

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Battle of Los Angeles not the movie with

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oh [\h__\h] I don't know looks good this

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huge cylindrical object bright as all

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hell was seen over Los Angeles the army

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actually got really like scared about

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this and they started firing on it they

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mobilized them sent planes on the list

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oh absolutely and this is a documented

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thing that has documented this is you

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know in every yeah did they bring it

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down so they shot at it and whatever was

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up there completely it just disappeared

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out of sight shell casings actually fell

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back down and killed people so this was

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actually like a pretty deadly

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are you sure that the army didn't just

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shoot a bunch of people and then make up

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the standing under the spacecraft came

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down piloted by George Soros it sound so

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scary that that is very scary and and

421
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one of the one of the ongoing themes of

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these different stories is that the is

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is that idea that the craft not only are

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larger than any craft you could ever

425
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imagine that they also move at a pace

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that is unimaginable that doesn't match

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any technology so they change direction

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too right that's another balloons yeah

429
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it's like certainly not technology that

430
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we have now but definitely not that we

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had in 1941 or 47 which is when roswell

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happens what happened in Roswell I

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honestly don't know the story of was

434
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this was Joel early July of 1947

435
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something crashed in the desert in

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Roswell New Mexico

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a rancher found a bunch of wreckage on

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his on his ranch he reported

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to the the local airfield and they came

440
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out to investigate immediately they

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started gathering everything up putting

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it you know on their trucks and sending

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it back to their base and they were told

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the rancher never to talk about what had

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happened there that the next day the

446
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newspaper said that they had found a

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flying disc and the day after that the

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story was retracted and they said that

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they found a weather balloon I mean

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that's that's what most people know

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about Roswell it was just a weather

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balloon weather balloon but there's been

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I mean countless witnesses in the

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military who have come forward and said

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that was a cover story like we don't

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know exactly what it was but it

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definitely was not what do you it so

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what I'd heard about Roswell was like

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that's that like people saw the graves

460
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like the little guys with the big eyes

461
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that give me all the pairs so it's that

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is that a cockamamie part of the theory

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or is it we just don't know what they

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saw we don't know what people saw what's

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the greatest thing at Roswell

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well the grades are just that's what the

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aliens I know but I didn't know that

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people saw those aliens in Roswell there

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there are many witnesses who claim to

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have seen bodies so what those bodies

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were we don't know they might have been

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dead the human body it could have been a

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test you know by the government some

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sort of flight test this was the very

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early days of aerospace you know trying

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to get as far up as we could it could

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have been some sort of test pilot that

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the whole body thing has always been up

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before this because you know the way

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when you what do you see

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aliens and old movies we don't seem to

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be able to really stretch away from an

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alien look like even what's that Amy

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Adams movie all right all right yeah

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look still a bit like the blue like like

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it's always like octopuses we can't

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imagine something weirder than an

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octopus legs no one can understand them

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I'll eat them but I don't understand

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them today bare octopuses look [\h__\h]

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we all just coming just not all get our

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heads are in octopus is that what aliens

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are but you know say after the film The

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Truman Show

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in in the sort of book of mental health

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there is now a sort of disease where

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people think and I think of the whole

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time like oh I'm in a movie

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they've

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those extras really bad because I saw

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him running around two years ago and

502
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they'd heart they've just reused the

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budget for the extras like there's

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there's a it made us dementia yeah yeah

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anymore replaced by doubles and that

506
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yeah exactly and so you start looking

507
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for the filmic or that the connections

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your life

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I wonder say with aliens how much and

510
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you could maybe answers

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how much Hollywood has to answer for

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what we see matching or what or when we

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when we think we see something matching

514
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what's so delivered to us as this

515
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octopus looking thing guys even but your

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your point is well made like the

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question is always begged when we talk

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about UFOs is did we begin to believe in

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UFOs because the science fiction movie

520
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showed them to us or did science fiction

521
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movies take from the human consciousness

522
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robos report exactly like the chicken

523
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and the egg no their unfinished question

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so what do you think I mean you're a

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believer so it's a difficult question to

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pose to you when we and by the way I

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want to point out the Ryan's specialty

528
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is not necessarily alien visitation it

529
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is UFO it's it's spacecraft people that

530
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have seen spacecraft right what we're

531
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gonna get more into the beings but even

532
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the spacecraft the imagery that we see

533
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when we see the spacecraft we used to

534
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see flying saucers and now it's maybe

535
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modernised a bit like - what - yeah I

536
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try to what degree do you think we have

537
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been info by the way you would admit

538
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that most UFO sightings are total

539
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[\h__\h] right oh absolutely I mean 95%

540
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:45,250
yeah but yours was real

541
00:24:55,050 --> 00:24:53,260
95% of them are prosaic explanations

542
00:24:57,670 --> 00:24:55,060
they're conventional aircraft they're

543
00:24:59,620 --> 00:24:57,680
misidentifications they're birds I don't

544
00:25:02,920 --> 00:24:59,630
know but there is always that like 5%

545
00:25:05,620 --> 00:25:02,930
flying octopuses fine those guys and

546
00:25:07,030 --> 00:25:05,630
that we can't explain right simply can't

547
00:25:09,550 --> 00:25:07,040
explain and that goes for the government

548
00:25:11,470 --> 00:25:09,560
that goes for science you know we've had

549
00:25:13,060 --> 00:25:11,480
astronomers look into this which I'm

550
00:25:14,290 --> 00:25:13,070
sure we'll get in did you hear but did

551
00:25:15,490 --> 00:25:14,300
you read that news story that came out a

552
00:25:17,230 --> 00:25:15,500
couple months ago about the guy who

553
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,240
worked in the Pentagon or were get in

554
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:18,880
there come on

555
00:25:22,510 --> 00:25:21,050
but before we do get to the Pentagon

556
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:22,520
because I think that is part of part of

557
00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:23,600
what was so striking to me in looking

558
00:25:27,070 --> 00:25:24,950
through this stuff is like the

559
00:25:29,230 --> 00:25:27,080
government has been involved in some

560
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:29,240
sort of cover-up I don't know if it's

561
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:31,010
for alien spacecraft or if it's just

562
00:25:34,810 --> 00:25:32,570
because they're covering up the you know

563
00:25:36,820 --> 00:25:34,820
it's purely their own technology but the

564
00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:36,830
government has been involved since 1947

565
00:25:40,210 --> 00:25:38,780
right and Roswell was I know it that is

566
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:40,220
the year that Pakistan became a country

567
00:25:44,350 --> 00:25:42,050
anyway keep going I'm just trying to

568
00:25:46,330 --> 00:25:44,360
teach you something awesome there are

569
00:25:48,670 --> 00:25:46,340
the two things connected you're bad or

570
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:48,680
no I was [\h__\h] spaceship crashes in

571
00:25:56,020 --> 00:25:50,210
New Mexico and a month later we have a

572
00:25:58,510 --> 00:25:56,030
new country you tell me that is another

573
00:26:01,360 --> 00:25:58,520
question that comes up actually is how

574
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:01,370
how much of the concentration of UFO

575
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:03,290
sightings is based in the United States

576
00:26:08,860 --> 00:26:05,570
or how international phenomenon is it it

577
00:26:10,750 --> 00:26:08,870
is definitely a worldly phenomenon we

578
00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:10,760
often see it through Western eyes

579
00:26:17,860 --> 00:26:13,310
however all the big cases you think of

580
00:26:20,430 --> 00:26:17,870
Roswell Rendlesham which was in England

581
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:20,440
but was on a American military base

582
00:26:26,410 --> 00:26:23,690
which I can get into later as well but

583
00:26:28,060 --> 00:26:26,420
most of the cases have happened here and

584
00:26:32,650 --> 00:26:28,070
so the ones that are reported in other

585
00:26:33,790 --> 00:26:32,660
countries are they similar images very

586
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,800
strikingly similar

587
00:26:37,870 --> 00:26:35,600
there's many patterns to be made in

588
00:26:40,780 --> 00:26:37,880
terms of what they saw the thing I've

589
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:40,790
noticed though is that other countries

590
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,530
they take this topic very seriously

591
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:44,240
we're here in the United States it's

592
00:26:48,580 --> 00:26:46,850
very ridiculed at times is it because

593
00:26:50,770 --> 00:26:48,590
we've made so many movies about it maybe

594
00:26:52,270 --> 00:26:50,780
possibly there's a lot of like the

595
00:26:54,490 --> 00:26:52,280
chicken and the egg thing is which came

596
00:26:57,340 --> 00:26:54,500
first the bug-eyed aliens in the movies

597
00:26:59,550 --> 00:26:57,350
or the the bar got aliens [\h__\h] me up

598
00:27:03,880 --> 00:26:59,560
the ass with their instruments exactly

599
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:03,890
um Kumail you grew up in Pakistan tell

600
00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:07,730
us about that no how much of the movies

601
00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:12,110
true no but what was the cultural

602
00:27:15,490 --> 00:27:13,910
consciousness as a kid in Pakistan like

603
00:27:17,050 --> 00:27:15,500
do they talk about what what what's the

604
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:17,060
understanding of UFOs in Pakistan today

605
00:27:20,620 --> 00:27:19,010
oh I mean I remember I saw all of

606
00:27:22,390 --> 00:27:20,630
everybody talking about it I was

607
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:22,400
obsessed with UFOs since I was a little

608
00:27:28,150 --> 00:27:24,610
kid I had all the books and stuff and

609
00:27:29,650 --> 00:27:28,160
not time-life but other ones but I was

610
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:29,660
really I remember looking at the a

611
00:27:33,550 --> 00:27:31,090
picture of like the checkerboard

612
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:33,560
radiation burn thing and being like oh

613
00:27:38,020 --> 00:27:36,290
wow that's I want that but like if you

614
00:27:39,310 --> 00:27:38,030
in I don't know if you can speak to it

615
00:27:41,170 --> 00:27:39,320
now cuz you've been gone for so long but

616
00:27:42,490 --> 00:27:41,180
if a person had one of the things that I

617
00:27:43,540 --> 00:27:42,500
noticed through that through your book

618
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:43,550
and through this documentary that I

619
00:27:46,750 --> 00:27:44,810
watches the people when they come out

620
00:27:47,950 --> 00:27:46,760
there's pretty a lot of pretty regular

621
00:27:50,110 --> 00:27:47,960
people and a lot of very high-ranking

622
00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:50,120
people right there immediately ridiculed

623
00:27:53,950 --> 00:27:51,980
and they made to be sorry that they ever

624
00:27:55,780 --> 00:27:53,960
talked about what they saw is the same

625
00:27:58,210 --> 00:27:55,790
kind of ridicule in Ireland or in

626
00:28:00,430 --> 00:27:58,220
Pakistan is it does it feel as the lamb

627
00:28:03,070 --> 00:28:00,440
Bassett and Lampoon in this in the other

628
00:28:05,620 --> 00:28:03,080
countries you guys grew up in yeah I'd

629
00:28:07,390 --> 00:28:05,630
say so I mean the thing is I think he'd

630
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:07,400
be more ridiculed for an alien than a

631
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,710
ghost in Ireland because I think if you

632
00:28:13,570 --> 00:28:12,080
have a very religious country and any

633
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,580
really really nice country you're

634
00:28:17,580 --> 00:28:15,200
naturally saying I believe in something

635
00:28:24,690 --> 00:28:17,590
higher as long as it's not higher than

636
00:28:30,269 --> 00:28:26,909
I see you're Ella and I raise you a

637
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:30,279
Jesus Christ and you call them wee

638
00:28:34,139 --> 00:28:33,609
little spirits is that right no we

639
00:28:36,779 --> 00:28:34,149
really don't

640
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:36,789
and but I think there's the belief in

641
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,710
something higher than you but the aliens

642
00:28:42,419 --> 00:28:40,480
are inside of it I think you would fair

643
00:28:44,430 --> 00:28:42,429
enough because to some degree an alien

644
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:44,440
sighting flies in the face of a

645
00:28:52,529 --> 00:28:49,600
religious and science I think I mean the

646
00:28:54,239 --> 00:28:52,539
idea of God and why we have it it's it's

647
00:28:56,460 --> 00:28:54,249
for all of our psychology and it's for

648
00:28:57,690 --> 00:28:56,470
all of our insanity it's what we have to

649
00:28:59,129 --> 00:28:57,700
explain things that we don't have any

650
00:29:00,539 --> 00:28:59,139
words for at the moment we don't have

651
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:00,549
any science for and that's why we have

652
00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:02,289
it and whether it's read or not we don't

653
00:29:13,859 --> 00:29:11,080
know actually I do know and it provides

654
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:13,869
comfort whereas aliens provide disco

655
00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:17,289
extreme discomfort but I think I think

656
00:29:22,409 --> 00:29:20,440
the idea that we are alone is so subtle

657
00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:22,419
of systick and so the idea that we are

658
00:29:26,639 --> 00:29:24,220
at the core of our own universe always

659
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:26,649
said it was all sister you are motion

660
00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:29,710
it's a commotion - yes but it's so the

661
00:29:33,989 --> 00:29:32,169
idea that we are the only planet that

662
00:29:36,539 --> 00:29:33,999
has managed to like get enough heat and

663
00:29:38,129 --> 00:29:36,549
bacteria together to develop into

664
00:29:41,639 --> 00:29:38,139
whatever let these little bags of meat

665
00:29:45,389 --> 00:29:41,649
we are are is is absolutely ridiculous

666
00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:45,399
that said I I don't know about that how

667
00:29:50,460 --> 00:29:48,460
far in advance for example all all of

668
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:50,470
the alien spacecrafts we have are a

669
00:29:54,509 --> 00:29:52,840
version of aeroplanes so we never we

670
00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:54,519
can't even imagine so that's right that

671
00:29:58,349 --> 00:29:56,200
doesn't look like even when moves as a

672
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:58,359
vapor like we don't know even like the

673
00:30:01,529 --> 00:29:59,919
hint with God when you're saying that

674
00:30:04,229 --> 00:30:01,539
look like men you're saying that these

675
00:30:08,999 --> 00:30:04,239
sightings of UFOs match aircraft that

676
00:30:14,340 --> 00:30:09,009
we've seen helium balloon of a balloon

677
00:30:16,169 --> 00:30:14,350
into the sky of an octopus that doesn't

678
00:30:17,879 --> 00:30:16,179
feel this doesn't feel like it tracks

679
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,889
with your book like is that is that true

680
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:19,840
that the sightings of alien spacecraft

681
00:30:25,710 --> 00:30:23,440
fit conventional aircraft ideas I

682
00:30:28,049 --> 00:30:25,720
wouldn't say they directly mirror our

683
00:30:30,330 --> 00:30:28,059
aircraft they always seem to be a little

684
00:30:32,609 --> 00:30:30,340
bit ahead at least from what I've

685
00:30:35,399 --> 00:30:32,619
gathered from you know decade to decade

686
00:30:37,690 --> 00:30:35,409
report for to report I mean you look at

687
00:30:40,509 --> 00:30:37,700
like the early 50s you have saucers

688
00:30:43,930 --> 00:30:40,519
look at the 60s and 70s 80s he had his

689
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:43,940
weed leaves right for the reason I just

690
00:30:53,649 --> 00:30:51,879
sorry Oh God

691
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:53,659
what Spring Heeled Jack do you know what

692
00:30:57,639 --> 00:30:55,730
that is you don't know what that is okay

693
00:30:59,740 --> 00:30:57,649
the murder thing isn't it no but there

694
00:31:01,840 --> 00:30:59,750
was I've read this book and now I'm

695
00:31:03,879 --> 00:31:01,850
getting like little flashes but in in

696
00:31:05,049 --> 00:31:03,889
London there was like a creek there was

697
00:31:07,659 --> 00:31:05,059
like a sighting and then this creature

698
00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:07,669
was seen jumping around for this was

699
00:31:12,460 --> 00:31:10,940
like in the 80s you know what doesn't

700
00:31:15,009 --> 00:31:12,470
think old paintings with there's like a

701
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:15,019
disc flying and stuff what's that about

702
00:31:21,940 --> 00:31:19,490
yeah great question come on I mean yeah

703
00:31:24,129 --> 00:31:21,950
would get me more that pre the idea of

704
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:24,139
an airplane yes for you there's

705
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:26,000
something what what I was trying to say

706
00:31:29,710 --> 00:31:27,769
there was the idea that his aliens a

707
00:31:32,620 --> 00:31:29,720
chorus of course we're not the only

708
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,630
bloody planet like how classic hashtag

709
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,880
human is is it of us to imagine I know

710
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:36,320
were the only ones were the most

711
00:31:39,549 --> 00:31:37,760
advanced he could ever be what about

712
00:31:41,379 --> 00:31:39,559
crack [\h__\h] Kruk shoes then that's

713
00:31:42,879 --> 00:31:41,389
disgustin like clearly we're not the

714
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:42,889
most advanced people in the world but

715
00:31:49,149 --> 00:31:44,210
the that's your proof that were not

716
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:49,159
alone in the universe but like that we

717
00:31:52,570 --> 00:31:51,289
can't even imagine something it like

718
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:52,580
you're you you were saying about

719
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,559
sightings there a little bit further on

720
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:56,480
than a spacecraft they're not an

721
00:32:00,460 --> 00:31:58,490
unimaginable thing you're just a little

722
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:00,470
bit but I think it when you're like like

723
00:32:04,139 --> 00:32:02,450
well your smile about those things and

724
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:04,149
the paintings you like that is yeah

725
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:07,360
there are a lot of sightings before like

726
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:10,880
the 1900 there's their settings back to

727
00:32:15,490 --> 00:32:13,130
recorded history from what I can gather

728
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,500
I mean I I I look a lot at the modern

729
00:32:20,409 --> 00:32:18,080
UFO era from like Raj Mohan but yes I

730
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:20,419
mean you look at like Nostradamus is

731
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:22,490
predictions of 9/11 or whatever you're

732
00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:24,169
like oh that's weird because they are

733
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,289
that he couldn't even have imagined a

734
00:32:30,940 --> 00:32:28,880
building that high so something that

735
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:30,950
that that that to me is like whoa that's

736
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:33,289
a you know put your works real hard to

737
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:35,809
bring 9/11 into that always always

738
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:38,250
that's kind of my brand yeah

739
00:32:42,810 --> 00:32:41,170
so yeah so getting back to the modern

740
00:32:44,130 --> 00:32:42,820
understanding of the UFO era which I

741
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,140
think these questions are good and what

742
00:32:47,730 --> 00:32:45,840
you're saying is that there are recorded

743
00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:47,740
instances of these sightings but it

744
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,240
doesn't actually hit it's fever pitch

745
00:32:53,010 --> 00:32:51,760
until to your point actually we do we do

746
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:53,020
get into the modern era so there is a

747
00:32:57,660 --> 00:32:54,850
kind of you know sort of confirmation

748
00:32:59,910 --> 00:32:57,670
bias question about it all but as we get

749
00:33:01,860 --> 00:32:59,920
into later on into the history I want to

750
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:01,870
say it makes sense that as we have more

751
00:33:05,130 --> 00:33:03,610
science that these sightings would stand

752
00:33:06,660 --> 00:33:05,140
out more because back then you see

753
00:33:09,570 --> 00:33:06,670
something flying you're like [\h__\h] we

754
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:09,580
don't know anything but now we're like

755
00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:11,050
we know most things what the what the

756
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:14,200
hell they wanted to figure out what

757
00:33:17,310 --> 00:33:15,850
whether it was real when we got to this

758
00:33:19,290 --> 00:33:17,320
exactly what you're saying to this era

759
00:33:21,030 --> 00:33:19,300
of X or scientific exploration and in

760
00:33:23,790 --> 00:33:21,040
fact this era of really being afraid of

761
00:33:26,730 --> 00:33:23,800
our skies being compromised our national

762
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:26,740
security being compromised after World

763
00:33:32,370 --> 00:33:29,440
War two and airspace being a secured

764
00:33:34,110 --> 00:33:32,380
thing that needed to be secured we start

765
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:34,120
seeing government involvement trying to

766
00:33:37,410 --> 00:33:35,440
figure out what these things are so tell

767
00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:37,420
me about Project Blue Book and what was

768
00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:39,940
that and how did it affect the discovery

769
00:33:44,820 --> 00:33:42,460
and the exploration of UFOs yeah so a

770
00:33:47,670 --> 00:33:44,830
Project Blue Book was the government's

771
00:33:50,610 --> 00:33:47,680
first official acknowledgment that there

772
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:50,620
was a a UFO phenomena the way they

773
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:53,050
coined the term UFO unidentified flying

774
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:57,250
object to downplay you know the danger

775
00:34:05,670 --> 00:34:04,050
yeah so they they coined this term UFO

776
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:05,680
they started looking into it they hired

777
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:07,530
the world's most prominent astronomers

778
00:34:13,550 --> 00:34:10,960
to look into this to debunk it very much

779
00:34:19,770 --> 00:34:13,560
like Scully when was this this was in

780
00:34:21,389 --> 00:34:19,780
1957 have been around for 10 years so

781
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:21,399
what was happening to set beyond what

782
00:34:25,139 --> 00:34:22,510
was happening in Pakistan which we've

783
00:34:26,909 --> 00:34:25,149
all been very curious about what was

784
00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:26,919
happening between 47 when they

785
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:28,780
confiscated all the equipment at Roswell

786
00:34:32,190 --> 00:34:30,490
and the beginning of this blue broke

787
00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:32,200
blue book project what what was the

788
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:33,730
government doing and what was happening

789
00:34:39,149 --> 00:34:36,450
in this space yeah no pun intended yeah

790
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:39,159
so I mean if these things were crashing

791
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:41,290
in the skies and they weren't supposedly

792
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:44,050
ours like clearly it was a threat you

793
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:46,210
know so I think that was the point where

794
00:34:51,830 --> 00:34:48,370
they had to say okay we have to look

795
00:34:53,780 --> 00:34:51,840
into this officially they hired duct

796
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:53,790
J Allen Hynek again the world's most

797
00:34:58,010 --> 00:34:55,260
liked prominent astronomer at the time

798
00:35:04,580 --> 00:34:58,020
to say it's just swamp gas it's just

799
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:04,590
natural phenomena gas and he couldn't do

800
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:07,290
it he spent years investigating these

801
00:35:11,540 --> 00:35:09,570
cases going out you know boots on the

802
00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:11,550
ground like looking at these things and

803
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:13,320
eventually he came to the conclusion

804
00:35:18,740 --> 00:35:15,570
that whatever these things were they

805
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:18,750
they were not ours and it was pretty

806
00:35:22,130 --> 00:35:19,890
interesting he started his own

807
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:22,140
organization after that after project

808
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:22,710
Bluebook

809
00:35:27,550 --> 00:35:26,130
ended in 1969 the government said it was

810
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:27,560
not a national security threat

811
00:35:30,830 --> 00:35:29,130
everything's cool

812
00:35:31,820 --> 00:35:30,840
we're done investigating what was he

813
00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:31,830
investigating though was the

814
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:34,440
investigation like parts of this grace

815
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:38,160
crafts that he find or people's reports

816
00:35:42,290 --> 00:35:40,020
reports yeah so he was like the first

817
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:42,300
responder when people would report these

818
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:44,040
things to the government so they would

819
00:35:48,770 --> 00:35:46,110
you know send him out there to interview

820
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:48,780
the witnesses and to look for any trace

821
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,210
evidence you know had a craft supposedly

822
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:53,760
landed they'd go out there with geiger

823
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:55,500
counters looking for radiation in the

824
00:35:59,480 --> 00:35:57,300
area and did they find radiation in

825
00:36:01,520 --> 00:35:59,490
there oh yeah on many occasions in fact

826
00:36:03,260 --> 00:36:01,530
like it was in that documentary like

827
00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:03,270
Harry Truman who was president at the

828
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:05,640
time was talking about this isn't like

829
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:08,880
there's notified project no no this was

830
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,680
completely open to the public right it

831
00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:12,480
wasn't and at the time the conversation

832
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,430
felt a lot more dignified it felt a lot

833
00:36:17,660 --> 00:36:16,560
less ridicule based and more like where

834
00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:17,670
they were actually trying to figure out

835
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:18,990
whatever the phenomena was that people

836
00:36:21,860 --> 00:36:20,250
were seeing whether or not it was a real

837
00:36:24,380 --> 00:36:21,870
phenomenon yeah and Harry Truman himself

838
00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:24,390
was like talking about it and trying to

839
00:36:27,590 --> 00:36:26,190
get to the bottom of it so in other

840
00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:27,600
words the government hired a scientist

841
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:29,700
to try to disprove the existence of UFOs

842
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:32,730
and could he could not he could not no I

843
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:39,560
do you enjoy true stories of the

844
00:36:43,940 --> 00:36:41,610
supernatural from the people who

845
00:36:46,850 --> 00:36:43,950
experienced it well then you might like

846
00:36:49,580 --> 00:36:46,860
my show Jim Harold's campfire hi i'm jim

847
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:49,590
and we've been doing the show since 2009

848
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:52,320
and we talked about ghosts cryptic

849
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:55,290
creatures ufos head scratchers you name

850
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,210
it and you tuned in you might hear a

851
00:37:02,330 --> 00:36:59,280
story like this one and as he was

852
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:02,340
driving home he encountered a shadow

853
00:37:09,110 --> 00:37:05,820
person who seemed to be dressed like a

854
00:37:12,110 --> 00:37:09,120
monk I know that sounds very strange but

855
00:37:15,250 --> 00:37:12,120
it was a solid black form and it was

856
00:37:19,580 --> 00:37:15,260
wearing a hooded cloak tied at the waist

857
00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:19,590
with the cloak up and it had glowing red

858
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:23,430
eyes he sees this thing coming out of a

859
00:37:29,090 --> 00:37:27,330
really teeny abandoned Cemetery if you

860
00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:29,100
haven't tuned in I hope you'll check us

861
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:31,560
out you can find us on Apple podcasts

862
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,530
Spotify and wherever podcasts are heard

863
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:37,200
it's Jim Harold's campfire and you can

864
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:39,570
find it at Jim Harold calm thanks so

865
00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:44,880
much and stay spooky I think that's

866
00:37:48,410 --> 00:37:46,260
what's so scary about the whole thing

867
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:48,420
it's not just aliens at least when it

868
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:50,250
comes to America it's the fact that it

869
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,930
feels like our government has been

870
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,000
working their asses off to keep whatever

871
00:37:57,710 --> 00:37:56,400
it is from us and I think that's the

872
00:37:59,300 --> 00:37:57,720
thing that's scary it's not only like

873
00:38:01,250 --> 00:37:59,310
not only are there beings coming from

874
00:38:02,570 --> 00:38:01,260
other places but like oh the government

875
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:02,580
knows everything it's spending millions

876
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:04,290
of dollars keeping it from you there's

877
00:38:08,060 --> 00:38:05,970
something definitely bad going on here

878
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:08,070
kind of speaks to a scarier like oh

879
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:11,250
there is there is something for sure and

880
00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:13,050
the people who are in charge absolutely

881
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:14,940
don't want us to have any part I think

882
00:38:20,170 --> 00:38:16,440
it's getting harder and harder like you

883
00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:29,270
911 remember the guy who tweeted about

884
00:38:33,140 --> 00:38:31,260
seeing the helicopters and so they were

885
00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:33,150
trying to do like a private mission but

886
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,500
there was a guy he's like I can see

887
00:38:39,590 --> 00:38:36,960
these helicopters outside my house and

888
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,600
all of a sudden you for example had no

889
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:40,800
access to the Internet or you could use

890
00:38:46,010 --> 00:38:42,170
go dad

891
00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:48,440
like like prefilled it the people around

892
00:38:51,890 --> 00:38:50,040
can go guys what the hell is going on

893
00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:51,900
here is a picture everyone else can see

894
00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:53,700
this so at the time there was a sky just

895
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:55,470
as I was going it is weird for this time

896
00:39:00,500 --> 00:38:59,040
of night for these helicopters to be so

897
00:39:04,130 --> 00:39:00,510
that would be that would fall into your

898
00:39:05,450 --> 00:39:04,140
95 98 percent of cases that are [\h__\h]

899
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,460
that are people thinking they're seeing

900
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:06,960
something like this really I don't mean

901
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:09,450
it like that I mean it more that and at

902
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:11,460
the time you'd like you what would you

903
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:12,690
do to call the government you'd call a

904
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:13,800
government get through to a hotline

905
00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:15,210
weeks later someone will come with a

906
00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:16,980
white coat and go really pre pre pre pre

907
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,320
pre pre paper whereas now you saw there

908
00:39:22,220 --> 00:39:20,880
are people have connection to

909
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:22,230
communities and you can take a photo

910
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:23,940
very quickly you can just take it you

911
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:26,720
know like like you were saying about em

912
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:29,130
technology we have sort of access to go

913
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:30,720
that is weird because there's so much

914
00:39:35,330 --> 00:39:32,910
stuff I can take a picture of it or then

915
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:35,340
also all this stuff is it's harder to

916
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:38,760
believe exactly yeah that is the biggest

917
00:39:43,460 --> 00:39:41,310
conundrum we have in ufology as we call

918
00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:43,470
it is we live in an age where anything

919
00:39:48,140 --> 00:39:45,630
could be faked you know a UFO photo

920
00:39:50,359 --> 00:39:48,150
every video that comes out you know and

921
00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:50,369
I get sent on a weekly basis it's

922
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:52,020
[\h__\h] it's [\h__\h] it's [\h__\h] so

923
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:53,760
in a weird way these older sightings and

924
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:57,510
these older cases are a little bit more

925
00:40:00,200 --> 00:39:58,650
helpful to figure out if they're real

926
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:00,210
than people saying that they see them

927
00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:03,359
now I think so I mean it's it's sad to

928
00:40:08,420 --> 00:40:04,710
think that you know we have to look back

929
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:08,430
at 1947 for often you know to see an

930
00:40:13,460 --> 00:40:11,310
authentic UFO right so so Project Blue

931
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,470
Book was shut down in 1969 why did they

932
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:14,640
shut it down because they decided there

933
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:16,170
was no credible threat whether that was

934
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:17,730
true or not they shut it down and they

935
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:19,310
said oh did they find it enough to

936
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:21,510
realize that that to start hiding it

937
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:23,130
yeah the way I do want to say that the

938
00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:24,540
government secrecy around it I

939
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,940
understand that and I support it

940
00:40:30,980 --> 00:40:29,040
what do you think that is I think if

941
00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:30,990
they were like oh we don't know this

942
00:40:37,099 --> 00:40:33,180
spacecraft coming and going we have no

943
00:40:38,810 --> 00:40:37,109
idea that would be horrified what what

944
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:38,820
do you think would happen in in a in a

945
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:41,400
world where we're living in a reality

946
00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:43,320
that's terrifying on a daily basis it's

947
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:44,700
like what would really happen if the

948
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:45,930
governors like yeah there are UFOs

949
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:48,510
wouldn't even need a needle no but we

950
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:50,700
elected drunk it's all good that's now

951
00:40:55,690 --> 00:40:54,050
I'm saying like before that no I agree

952
00:40:57,310 --> 00:40:55,700
and I think that the era that these that

953
00:40:59,140 --> 00:40:57,320
these craft came out that's post-world

954
00:41:00,340 --> 00:40:59,150
War two ERA people were really paranoid

955
00:41:02,410 --> 00:41:00,350
about the end of the world nuclear

956
00:41:03,610 --> 00:41:02,420
weapons now we just accepted that it's

957
00:41:06,010 --> 00:41:03,620
definitely going to happen and it's not

958
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:06,020
a big deal yeah so but it doesn't so it

959
00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:07,370
explains why they covered it up in the

960
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:09,470
first place it doesn't explain why they

961
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,330
continue to do so today if it is in fact

962
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:13,280
a cover-up and I think the evidence

963
00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:14,810
shows that it is in fact a cover-up

964
00:41:17,710 --> 00:41:16,070
whether they're covering up their own

965
00:41:20,380 --> 00:41:17,720
and technology or not we don't know

966
00:41:21,820 --> 00:41:20,390
but what what happened when they shut

967
00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:21,830
down Project Blue Book did they stop

968
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:24,710
researching UFOs apparently that was

969
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:27,170
their official statement on it a story

970
00:41:32,290 --> 00:41:29,410
came out you know maybe a month ago

971
00:41:34,810 --> 00:41:32,300
where we learned that that certainly was

972
00:41:36,250 --> 00:41:34,820
not the case what was that story so this

973
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:36,260
happened about a month ago the New York

974
00:41:42,490 --> 00:41:39,770
Times came out with an article about a

975
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,500
secret Pentagon program that had been

976
00:41:48,190 --> 00:41:44,960
going on for about five years where they

977
00:41:50,020 --> 00:41:48,200
were secretly investigating UFOs you

978
00:41:51,610 --> 00:41:50,030
mean the last five years there has been

979
00:41:54,910 --> 00:41:51,620
approached a program at the Pentagon

980
00:41:57,070 --> 00:41:54,920
from about 2000 yeah about 2008 or so

981
00:41:59,560 --> 00:41:57,080
did too now so a little longer than that

982
00:42:01,180 --> 00:41:59,570
did they discover anything so you were

983
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:01,190
talking about Comal yeah it's really

984
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:03,290
great yeah it was I mean for like

985
00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:06,170
ufologists who were screaming you know

986
00:42:10,060 --> 00:42:08,270
for vindication yes things are real by

987
00:42:14,410 --> 00:42:10,070
the way to your point Moshe this story

988
00:42:17,020 --> 00:42:14,420
came out and exactly everybody's like

989
00:42:19,180 --> 00:42:17,030
what a dropped weed yeah there's alien

990
00:42:19,630 --> 00:42:19,190
life here right now what about top

991
00:42:22,330 --> 00:42:19,640
though

992
00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:22,340
did he [\h__\h] stormy Daniels but do you

993
00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:24,110
think that that's why certain things

994
00:42:28,090 --> 00:42:26,030
take off because they kind of capture a

995
00:42:30,610 --> 00:42:28,100
mood like there are certain times when

996
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:30,620
collectively we're humans are more like

997
00:42:34,090 --> 00:42:32,450
bees like we all sort of are afraid of

998
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,100
the same things at the same time whether

999
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:37,040
it's terrorism or UFOs at the time or or

1000
00:42:40,780 --> 00:42:38,810
mad cow disease or whatever it's gonna

1001
00:42:42,130 --> 00:42:40,790
be we all get afraid it's same thing and

1002
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:42,140
it takes attention away from something

1003
00:42:46,330 --> 00:42:44,450
else at the moment in the world

1004
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:46,340
aliens are the least of our [\h__\h]

1005
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:49,850
problems common bombers are do something

1006
00:42:53,890 --> 00:42:50,960
they're very better than what's going on

1007
00:42:55,180 --> 00:42:53,900
nine but tell us why you do that

1008
00:42:56,860 --> 00:42:55,190
absolutely speaking of terrorism just

1009
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:56,870
real quick what's your favorite terror

1010
00:43:00,700 --> 00:42:58,970
attack oh I don't know I mean the IRA

1011
00:43:04,329 --> 00:43:00,710
had some real doozies

1012
00:43:05,530 --> 00:43:04,339
I wasn't trying to distract from what

1013
00:43:07,870 --> 00:43:05,540
you were saying I was just saying in

1014
00:43:09,549 --> 00:43:07,880
terms of it going quiet it's because the

1015
00:43:11,230 --> 00:43:09,559
fear has been sort of pushed somewhere

1016
00:43:14,290 --> 00:43:11,240
else so I'm not surprised there was no

1017
00:43:16,059 --> 00:43:14,300
big like kind of like gauging the news

1018
00:43:17,620 --> 00:43:16,069
about it because people are so

1019
00:43:20,260 --> 00:43:17,630
overwhelmed by everything else that's

1020
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:20,270
going on but that but also a rival came

1021
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:21,530
out right after the election and I

1022
00:43:27,609 --> 00:43:25,280
sobbed like a baby during that what what

1023
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:27,619
um what was the the Pentagon sort what

1024
00:43:31,930 --> 00:43:29,690
did we learn from that so the head of

1025
00:43:33,490 --> 00:43:31,940
the program his name was Luis Elizondo

1026
00:43:35,319 --> 00:43:33,500
he'd worked for the Department of

1027
00:43:38,260 --> 00:43:35,329
Defense for a really long time he was

1028
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:38,270
hired to head this project by I believe

1029
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:41,089
it was Senator Harry Reid was how are

1030
00:43:50,140 --> 00:43:43,670
you read Harry Reid I've got the money

1031
00:43:52,059 --> 00:43:50,150
to do what are you a hip hop man crazy

1032
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:52,069
guy it's a guy we know well that's what

1033
00:43:55,690 --> 00:43:53,599
I kept coming to with this with the

1034
00:43:57,099 --> 00:43:55,700
stuff that you said it was like like yes

1035
00:43:58,299 --> 00:43:57,109
there are crazies out there that are

1036
00:44:00,760 --> 00:43:58,309
like you know the saying that they were

1037
00:44:02,380 --> 00:44:00,770
getting alien anal probes but a lot of

1038
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:02,390
the people that are cited in your book

1039
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:04,010
and in this documentary are like you

1040
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:06,530
know Air Force general of the majors Air

1041
00:44:15,309 --> 00:44:09,770
Force pilots Jimmy Carter right Gerald

1042
00:44:18,839 --> 00:44:15,319
Ford Harry Truman so what day Morris Day

1043
00:44:21,609 --> 00:44:18,849
and the time life books pages missing

1044
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:21,619
I'm getting too old for this Harry Reid

1045
00:44:25,150 --> 00:44:23,510
had hired this guy yeah he hired this

1046
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:25,160
guy and he got the funding to do this

1047
00:44:30,460 --> 00:44:26,930
project because Harry Reid was very

1048
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:30,470
interested in the topic and so for in it

1049
00:44:34,089 --> 00:44:31,970
was something like 22 million dollars

1050
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:34,099
which you know to me seems like a lot

1051
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:36,049
but in terms of like government funding

1052
00:44:40,809 --> 00:44:38,450
it's nothing and I think that was the

1053
00:44:43,630 --> 00:44:40,819
purpose was it was so lowly funded that

1054
00:44:45,730 --> 00:44:43,640
it was you know under the radar so you

1055
00:44:48,220 --> 00:44:45,740
know they could do this secretly and

1056
00:44:52,089 --> 00:44:48,230
keep investigating UFOs so wasn't he

1057
00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:52,099
involved with another guy who was like

1058
00:44:57,849 --> 00:44:54,440
an entrepreneur yeah what's that

1059
00:45:00,339 --> 00:44:57,859
so Harry Reid was directly involved with

1060
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:00,349
Robert Bigelow this guy is an

1061
00:45:04,359 --> 00:45:02,720
entrepreneur he started I but the budget

1062
00:45:06,549 --> 00:45:04,369
hotel suites so this dude's a

1063
00:45:09,370 --> 00:45:06,559
billionaire and he's had a strong

1064
00:45:11,530 --> 00:45:09,380
interest in UFOs for many many years he

1065
00:45:14,020 --> 00:45:11,540
is convinced that we've been visited by

1066
00:45:17,980 --> 00:45:14,030
something other world

1067
00:45:19,810 --> 00:45:17,990
non-human and he had been helping to

1068
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:19,820
fund this project as well so any

1069
00:45:23,890 --> 00:45:21,710
information that was going into this

1070
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:23,900
Pentagon story was then getting funneled

1071
00:45:26,860 --> 00:45:25,250
to Robert Bigelow wait so this is a

1072
00:45:29,470 --> 00:45:26,870
private citizen that's funding a

1073
00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:29,480
pentagon inspection unit

1074
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:31,310
yes was he legally getting the

1075
00:45:34,090 --> 00:45:33,110
information or was it worth the guy just

1076
00:45:36,130 --> 00:45:34,100
passing it to him

1077
00:45:40,930 --> 00:45:36,140
that's where I I it gets very

1078
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:40,940
interesting Bigelow has wreckage from

1079
00:45:47,650 --> 00:45:44,450
UFO crash in his possession one of those

1080
00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:47,660
sweets that's crazy

1081
00:45:50,350 --> 00:45:49,190
and he has a brother named deuce who's

1082
00:45:53,830 --> 00:45:50,360
actually a male gigolo I don't know

1083
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:53,840
people just looking for a joke coming

1084
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:01,280
all right I see your disappointment you

1085
00:46:06,730 --> 00:46:04,640
know what the joke is out there okay so

1086
00:46:08,620 --> 00:46:06,740
in the 60s and we go move into the 60s

1087
00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:08,630
and 70s right and now things start to

1088
00:46:12,340 --> 00:46:10,070
get a little bit wonky and weirder

1089
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,350
because with psychedelic drugs and with

1090
00:46:16,510 --> 00:46:14,480
the kind of hippie movement the UFO to

1091
00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:16,520
your point Aisling the UFO movements

1092
00:46:20,830 --> 00:46:18,710
ways into the cultural forces that are

1093
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:20,840
present at the time what what's going on

1094
00:46:24,430 --> 00:46:22,730
in the 60s and 70s in terms of UFO

1095
00:46:26,110 --> 00:46:24,440
sightings yes I mean you're looking at

1096
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:26,120
the decades when like we're very

1097
00:46:32,580 --> 00:46:29,210
anti-war or all about peace and you

1098
00:46:36,190 --> 00:46:32,590
start to see see this movement within

1099
00:46:38,260 --> 00:46:36,200
ufology that almost these religions

1100
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:38,270
start to pop up around it and a lot of

1101
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:39,890
people believe ufology is a religion

1102
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:41,810
it's a belief system where as I look at

1103
00:46:45,310 --> 00:46:43,370
it more as you know fact-based

1104
00:46:46,690 --> 00:46:45,320
evidence-based way people believe what

1105
00:46:48,190 --> 00:46:46,700
do they believe what are the tenants of

1106
00:46:50,260 --> 00:46:48,200
this religion that there were beings

1107
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:50,270
that came and set up our civilization

1108
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:51,530
and that's that's why they're coming

1109
00:46:54,910 --> 00:46:53,330
back is it that was one of the questions

1110
00:46:57,070 --> 00:46:54,920
I kept asking myself is like I can

1111
00:46:59,260 --> 00:46:57,080
understand an alien visiting I can't

1112
00:47:01,420 --> 00:46:59,270
understand aliens visiting sustained

1113
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:01,430
over and over again for 60 years and

1114
00:47:04,780 --> 00:47:03,410
what are they doing how [\h__\h]

1115
00:47:06,430 --> 00:47:04,790
interesting what are they what are they

1116
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:06,440
doing are they just jerking a little

1117
00:47:10,090 --> 00:47:08,210
twelve-year-old dicks to our you know

1118
00:47:12,820 --> 00:47:10,100
like Porky's looking through it like why

1119
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:12,830
are they here so much lottery probably

1120
00:47:15,460 --> 00:47:14,450
yeah what's up just playing the lottery

1121
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:15,470
every time they come back they're like

1122
00:47:18,610 --> 00:47:16,850
we're gonna get it at some point and

1123
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:18,620
there you go maybe it's like a cruise

1124
00:47:30,190 --> 00:47:27,370
do you think it's an element of it again

1125
00:47:32,260 --> 00:47:30,200
I I just saw again I believe that there

1126
00:47:34,930 --> 00:47:32,270
are probably aliens it's just at certain

1127
00:47:37,060 --> 00:47:34,940
times that psychological zeitgeist or

1128
00:47:38,530 --> 00:47:37,070
what it taps into it is sort of

1129
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:38,540
prevalent around the world for example

1130
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:41,570
fear or the idea that we're alone or

1131
00:47:45,130 --> 00:47:43,490
that we want to go somewhere else so I

1132
00:47:47,890 --> 00:47:45,140
believe a lot of like religions come

1133
00:47:49,810 --> 00:47:47,900
from God imagine if this is always if

1134
00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:49,820
this is all we are imagine if this is

1135
00:47:56,290 --> 00:47:53,150
this is it that would be too terrifying

1136
00:48:00,300 --> 00:47:56,300
to get our heads around so let's just

1137
00:48:06,670 --> 00:48:05,560
you actual UFO against not not say some

1138
00:48:08,530 --> 00:48:06,680
of the sightings but like you're saying

1139
00:48:11,950 --> 00:48:08,540
night like in terms of tapping into the

1140
00:48:16,090 --> 00:48:11,960
psychology of why we have this needs

1141
00:48:18,910 --> 00:48:16,100
what you what you kind of take what what

1142
00:48:22,060 --> 00:48:18,920
need they fulfill for us yes and that's

1143
00:48:24,250 --> 00:48:22,070
why I'm curious what and in ufology what

1144
00:48:26,170 --> 00:48:24,260
what is the cult like current thing of

1145
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:26,180
what aliens are doing for us like that

1146
00:48:29,650 --> 00:48:28,130
we is what's in the culture in other

1147
00:48:30,820 --> 00:48:29,660
words why are they coming here or what

1148
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:30,830
do they do

1149
00:48:35,380 --> 00:48:32,450
and Justin I'm more interested in how we

1150
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:35,390
we interpret them coming so we know that

1151
00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:37,760
already know but like literally right

1152
00:48:40,930 --> 00:48:39,260
now so if it's gone from like oh there

1153
00:48:42,580 --> 00:48:40,940
might be a threat oh there are peaceful

1154
00:48:44,830 --> 00:48:42,590
loving beings we should build a religion

1155
00:48:46,510 --> 00:48:44,840
around them what is it now have they

1156
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:46,520
come to take a sign a from this body

1157
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:50,930
yeah well if in the 60s was it that

1158
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:53,090
there were religions around UFO yeah I

1159
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:54,530
mean there were religions popping up

1160
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:56,090
there were cults but what was the basis

1161
00:49:00,040 --> 00:48:57,650
of those religions like are we going to

1162
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,050
be saved or what was the what is the

1163
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:02,960
idea bind I I think it was it was this

1164
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:06,050
whole idea of they are going to impart

1165
00:49:10,660 --> 00:49:08,450
knowledge on us they're going to come

1166
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:10,670
here to save us so we were searching for

1167
00:49:15,220 --> 00:49:13,250
like in other to save us because we

1168
00:49:17,410 --> 00:49:15,230
weren't you know saving ourselves that's

1169
00:49:18,940 --> 00:49:17,420
exactly how we've interpreted phenomena

1170
00:49:21,490 --> 00:49:18,950
we don't understand it used to be like

1171
00:49:23,020 --> 00:49:21,500
oh it's raining cuz this goat we should

1172
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:23,030
kill this girl you know you know what I

1173
00:49:27,730 --> 00:49:25,310
mean and so yeah seeing UFOs were just

1174
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:27,740
putting on I don't know why you guys

1175
00:49:33,150 --> 00:49:29,410
laughed at that

1176
00:49:35,070 --> 00:49:33,160
that's real [\h__\h] but but we're seeing

1177
00:49:37,050 --> 00:49:35,080
something we don't understand and we're

1178
00:49:38,970 --> 00:49:37,060
coming up with different reasons we kind

1179
00:49:41,460 --> 00:49:38,980
of thought if all the butt probing of

1180
00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:41,470
the 80s was a result of like STDs and

1181
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:43,870
like suddenly like that and homophobia

1182
00:49:48,210 --> 00:49:46,330
and homophobia mapping a culture that

1183
00:49:51,570 --> 00:49:48,220
that's over sobbing yes Jessica Fletcher

1184
00:49:53,580 --> 00:49:51,580
yes you so well exactly and that what

1185
00:49:55,050 --> 00:49:53,590
what happened in the 80s and 90s is that

1186
00:49:56,970 --> 00:49:55,060
they started they moved from being our

1187
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:56,980
like loving brothers into being people

1188
00:50:01,500 --> 00:49:58,960
that are coming to like stick [\h__\h] now

1189
00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:01,510
yeah but [\h__\h] us and give us space aids

1190
00:50:08,310 --> 00:50:06,430
so what have you encountered people that

1191
00:50:10,590 --> 00:50:08,320
were abducted but that claim to be

1192
00:50:12,030 --> 00:50:10,600
abducted by aliens and what like do you

1193
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:12,040
buy that do you buy that kind of stuff

1194
00:50:17,490 --> 00:50:15,330
it's really tough and it I was extremely

1195
00:50:20,010 --> 00:50:17,500
skeptical when I got to the alien

1196
00:50:21,420 --> 00:50:20,020
abduction part of the book and and you

1197
00:50:23,550 --> 00:50:21,430
know essentially interviewing people who

1198
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:23,560
claimed this like I had to meet them

1199
00:50:29,580 --> 00:50:26,170
face to face in order to or ass to ass

1200
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:29,590
as the case may be it's funny how that

1201
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:31,330
all proved it like that was like one

1202
00:50:38,070 --> 00:50:36,250
case one case no it's more than one yeah

1203
00:50:39,390 --> 00:50:38,080
but listen that's the steel dossier we

1204
00:50:41,130 --> 00:50:39,400
don't talk about all the other [\h__\h] we

1205
00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:41,140
talk about the [\h__\h] piss on the with

1206
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:42,760
the Russian hooker I mean so it's

1207
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,890
delicious if you're probing as a

1208
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,720
scientist there's only so many holes in

1209
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:48,640
a human woman's gonna be like it's like

1210
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:51,310
two nose to ears one might throw but

1211
00:50:57,570 --> 00:50:53,650
like there's anyway you missed a very

1212
00:50:59,730 --> 00:50:57,580
important hole my main one you know when

1213
00:51:02,480 --> 00:50:59,740
it comes down to sex it's an ass to nose

1214
00:51:04,970 --> 00:51:02,490
nostrils and ear and I guess you're done

1215
00:51:08,510 --> 00:51:04,980
what else is there

1216
00:51:12,260 --> 00:51:08,520
virginity I'm gonna know you really are

1217
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:12,270
Irish but no it's not that mod to think

1218
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,530
that you go up one of them wouldn't it

1219
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:15,359
like it's your nose your ears well did

1220
00:51:18,050 --> 00:51:16,650
you ever conduct an interview with a

1221
00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:18,060
person that have been abducted that made

1222
00:51:22,310 --> 00:51:19,800
you feel like this is something happened

1223
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:22,320
here yeah so there were a few I mean I I

1224
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,660
met with a woman face-to-face with her

1225
00:51:28,220 --> 00:51:26,880
husband and she's recalling this event

1226
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:28,230
that had happened to her that she's been

1227
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:30,450
taken aboard this craft that they'd

1228
00:51:35,900 --> 00:51:33,330
experimented on her and she's like

1229
00:51:37,940 --> 00:51:35,910
gripping her husband's hand she's crying

1230
00:51:40,580 --> 00:51:37,950
and he's like they are like trying to

1231
00:51:42,410 --> 00:51:40,590
calm her down now whether or not that's

1232
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:42,420
the whole thing that I've come to with

1233
00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:43,770
the alien abduction phenomenon is

1234
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,140
whether or not that physically happened

1235
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:48,480
if it really happened if aliens actually

1236
00:51:52,730 --> 00:51:50,520
took this woman I can't tell you where

1237
00:51:54,260 --> 00:51:52,740
you think she she believes and that's

1238
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:54,270
all you can get it most of these people

1239
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:56,250
they firmly believe that these events

1240
00:52:01,130 --> 00:51:58,410
happen to them no I can't say they did

1241
00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:01,140
or they did not I'll take down the story

1242
00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:03,300
oh I'll be a listen but do you believe

1243
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:05,220
like you can always of course you can't

1244
00:52:08,540 --> 00:52:07,050
but when you go into those rooms is

1245
00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:08,550
there an element to belief or is it just

1246
00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:09,720
sort of like pity and sorrow for

1247
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:11,430
whatever this person feels viscerally

1248
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:12,210
like they're going through

1249
00:52:16,370 --> 00:52:14,460
I wouldn't say pity I am definitely open

1250
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:16,380
and compassionate I think that's

1251
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:17,730
essential when you're interviewing

1252
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:19,740
someone with such a such a sensitive

1253
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,400
issue just to hear them out is almost

1254
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:25,440
like confirmation enough for them yeah

1255
00:52:30,140 --> 00:52:27,890
someone's willing to listen but are you

1256
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:30,150
labeling they do studies of people like

1257
00:52:32,990 --> 00:52:31,650
if you write down while someone's

1258
00:52:34,820 --> 00:52:33,000
telling you about a trauma if you are

1259
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:34,830
writing something down versus not the

1260
00:52:37,849 --> 00:52:36,510
people who are being listened to by

1261
00:52:40,070 --> 00:52:37,859
someone writing something down feel

1262
00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:40,080
better than the other people because

1263
00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:41,369
they feel like it's going somewhere

1264
00:52:46,910 --> 00:52:43,830
official and now it means something yeah

1265
00:52:49,099 --> 00:52:46,920
I read a thing that said theory is that

1266
00:52:52,570 --> 00:52:49,109
a lot of these abduction memories are

1267
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,580
actually dissociated memories of abuse

1268
00:52:56,900 --> 00:52:54,720
somebody just snapped like we were at a

1269
00:52:58,609 --> 00:52:56,910
poetry slam over here I swear you're

1270
00:53:00,080 --> 00:52:58,619
like just so see any memories of abuse

1271
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:00,090
right there boy yeah

1272
00:53:04,989 --> 00:53:01,609
they have a big heart

1273
00:53:08,620 --> 00:53:04,999
check that oh yeah I think I have their

1274
00:53:11,410 --> 00:53:08,630
Hound tall bingo car but that is someone

1275
00:53:13,539 --> 00:53:11,420
a visitor in the night take you know oh

1276
00:53:17,049 --> 00:53:13,549
yeah I mean their theories of you know

1277
00:53:18,519 --> 00:53:17,059
abuse or trauma as a child or sleep

1278
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,529
paralysis you know things like this

1279
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:20,960
these are a lot of a lot of times the

1280
00:53:25,420 --> 00:53:23,119
explanations for abduction cases but

1281
00:53:27,489 --> 00:53:25,430
there there's a gentleman that I used to

1282
00:53:29,380 --> 00:53:27,499
speak to on the passed away a few years

1283
00:53:39,759 --> 00:53:29,390
ago named buddy Hopkins who's [\h__\h] to

1284
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:39,769
death by an alien friend yeah all right

1285
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:41,089
he was [\h__\h] to death by an alien

1286
00:53:50,970 --> 00:53:44,960
waited he had a family I know it's a

1287
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:50,980
[\h__\h] tragedy the way he went out he

1288
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:53,119
interviewed hundreds and hundreds of

1289
00:53:54,940 --> 00:53:54,079
people who claim to have been abducted

1290
00:53:58,180 --> 00:53:54,950
by aliens

1291
00:54:00,460 --> 00:53:58,190
I'd say about 98% of them he found

1292
00:54:03,279 --> 00:54:00,470
absolutely no evidence of any sort of

1293
00:54:04,509 --> 00:54:03,289
trauma by the two percent and this is

1294
00:54:06,759 --> 00:54:04,519
what I would say to you is what do you

1295
00:54:10,690 --> 00:54:06,769
think 98 percent had no abuse of trauma

1296
00:54:13,390 --> 00:54:10,700
so 2% were the ones who were easily

1297
00:54:15,759 --> 00:54:13,400
debunked exactly how did he know rather

1298
00:54:17,380 --> 00:54:15,769
what did you feel cuz again you're

1299
00:54:19,089 --> 00:54:17,390
saying you've a lot of sensitivity and

1300
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,099
everything nuclear you're a caring

1301
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:20,960
person did we're there any of them that

1302
00:54:24,009 --> 00:54:22,970
you are like come on I think this might

1303
00:54:25,749 --> 00:54:24,019
have happened to you when you were

1304
00:54:29,140 --> 00:54:25,759
talking to these people yeah yes I mean

1305
00:54:30,910 --> 00:54:29,150
I I am I've been interviewing this guy

1306
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:30,920
for years now his name is Travis Walton

1307
00:54:39,249 --> 00:54:33,710
they made a movie about him early 90s I

1308
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,259
want to say called what is it called

1309
00:54:43,779 --> 00:54:41,359
it's called fire in the sky happens

1310
00:54:46,539 --> 00:54:43,789
isn't that the movie that first scared

1311
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:46,549
you about from a leo et was the first

1312
00:54:53,950 --> 00:54:48,710
[\h__\h] scared me man alien that guy

1313
00:54:55,370 --> 00:54:53,960
looks like our penis you're not scared

1314
00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:55,380
of any somebody's upset

1315
00:54:59,900 --> 00:54:57,180
just got the opposite of a poetry slam

1316
00:55:03,109 --> 00:54:59,910
snap on that you [\h__\h] say et looks

1317
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:03,119
like a dick [\h__\h] Oh take it back

1318
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:22,650
you rode a bike and it was cute you know

1319
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:26,609
in 1947 Pakistan began and the alien

1320
00:55:32,450 --> 00:55:29,130
dick phenomenon has never been the same

1321
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:32,460
now okay so we're going oh I want you to

1322
00:55:35,299 --> 00:55:34,170
answer that question first is it this

1323
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:35,309
person what were you saying you

1324
00:55:39,470 --> 00:55:37,140
interview this one personal yeah I mean

1325
00:55:42,049 --> 00:55:39,480
this was back in like 75 had happened

1326
00:55:44,089 --> 00:55:42,059
but like six he was part of a logging

1327
00:55:47,180 --> 00:55:44,099
crew that went out to do a project to

1328
00:55:49,579 --> 00:55:47,190
treat any project they see this craft he

1329
00:55:51,499 --> 00:55:49,589
gets out this guy Travis he looks up at

1330
00:55:54,019 --> 00:55:51,509
it it shoots a beam down hits him and

1331
00:55:56,210 --> 00:55:54,029
the other dudes that you know they just

1332
00:55:59,210 --> 00:55:56,220
bolt they get out of there they think

1333
00:56:02,630 --> 00:55:59,220
he's dead at that point um many hours

1334
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:02,640
later they come back we go check on

1335
00:56:13,759 --> 00:56:12,240
Claude or Mary you get up there outside

1336
00:56:15,650 --> 00:56:13,769
of my shoulders we'll get them back yeah

1337
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:15,660
you don't like a run we'll come back in

1338
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:17,099
a few hours and see if he's okay yeah

1339
00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:18,690
I've noticed how supportive women are of

1340
00:56:28,210 --> 00:56:26,500
so so they all saw Taylor being abducted

1341
00:56:30,430 --> 00:56:28,220
mr. Travis

1342
00:56:32,890 --> 00:56:30,440
I called him Claude and I feel like yeah

1343
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:32,900
okay yeah sure what about they saw me

1344
00:56:38,250 --> 00:56:35,630
hit by a beam they saw that they saw it

1345
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:38,260
they all saw it he gets hit they leave

1346
00:56:42,850 --> 00:56:40,850
they report it to the police what

1347
00:56:44,410 --> 00:56:42,860
happened they go out with the police to

1348
00:56:46,030 --> 00:56:44,420
try to find the guy they can't find him

1349
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:46,040
anywhere so for weeks on end

1350
00:56:49,690 --> 00:56:48,050
everyone thinks that this guy's been

1351
00:56:52,140 --> 00:56:49,700
murdered and that this is this like

1352
00:56:54,610 --> 00:56:52,150
story of a UFO was it a cover-up for it

1353
00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:54,620
by the loggers they think the loggers

1354
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:55,880
what they you know maybe something

1355
00:57:00,070 --> 00:56:57,200
happened out there they made up this

1356
00:57:02,650 --> 00:57:00,080
elaborate story a a few weeks later he

1357
00:57:06,370 --> 00:57:02,660
shows up he's found on the side of a

1358
00:57:08,130 --> 00:57:06,380
road and they are able to you know get

1359
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,140
him talking again and everything he

1360
00:57:12,070 --> 00:57:10,640
recounts the same exact event that

1361
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:12,080
happened with the beam coming down and

1362
00:57:17,050 --> 00:57:14,810
then he recounts this crazy story about

1363
00:57:19,090 --> 00:57:17,060
being taken aboard a craft and being

1364
00:57:20,890 --> 00:57:19,100
experimented on he picked something up

1365
00:57:23,590 --> 00:57:20,900
tried to hit one of the aliens at one

1366
00:57:24,010 --> 00:57:23,600
point Wow and that's a logger for you

1367
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:24,020
right there

1368
00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:26,090
you got a comedian up there it's just

1369
00:57:30,460 --> 00:57:29,510
[\h__\h] submission turning over I'm like

1370
00:57:42,270 --> 00:57:30,470
it's back here

1371
00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:44,330
difference between men and women again

1372
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:46,840
you can kick that by Nellie and you get

1373
00:57:51,570 --> 00:57:49,450
ten new minutes out of it that is at

1374
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:51,580
least a one-man show was I don't know go

1375
00:57:57,089 --> 00:57:53,170
back to the other stuff that's all I got

1376
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:57,099
actually married now so it's you know

1377
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:00,180
that's a trip anyway

1378
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:03,520
this gentleman remembers that and is he

1379
00:58:08,730 --> 00:58:04,480
still around

1380
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:08,740
weird is like he hasn't it looks like he

1381
00:58:18,510 --> 00:58:15,520
hasn't aged a day since happy and the

1382
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:18,520
others were put under countless like

1383
00:58:22,010 --> 00:58:20,650
polygraph tests and they all passed with

1384
00:58:24,839 --> 00:58:22,020
flying colors

1385
00:58:26,430 --> 00:58:24,849
did you talk to the other loggers yes

1386
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:26,440
I've spoken to several of them on

1387
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:28,000
several occasion they all have a saying

1388
00:58:34,859 --> 00:58:29,410
they all have the same are they all

1389
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,869
friends still no no yeah sure okay we're

1390
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:36,640
still look so young and [\h__\h] we're

1391
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:38,710
all old-ass loggers over here on better

1392
00:58:45,690 --> 00:58:43,090
skin Travis I went from Claude to Taylor

1393
00:58:48,210 --> 00:58:45,700
I'm getting closer how far away was he

1394
00:58:50,670 --> 00:58:48,220
found from where he was taken presume I

1395
00:58:53,010 --> 00:58:50,680
think it was something like 20 miles or

1396
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:53,020
something like that ya think

1397
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:55,119
oh so that's when you believe that you

1398
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,240
feel like I mean that's a case where I'm

1399
00:59:02,670 --> 00:59:00,400
like these they had everything to lose

1400
00:59:07,980 --> 00:59:02,680
and nothing to gain with yeah yeah they

1401
00:59:09,810 --> 00:59:07,990
made no money on this you know an orgy

1402
00:59:15,060 --> 00:59:09,820
or something I really what we guys are

1403
00:59:18,329 --> 00:59:15,070
free outside and they lost each other

1404
00:59:19,690 --> 00:59:18,339
and then he hid for two weeks homophobia

1405
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:19,700
is deep man

1406
00:59:24,849 --> 00:59:22,130
it's like coffee in this log cabin for

1407
00:59:26,620 --> 00:59:24,859
to eat it's also an anal probe situation

1408
00:59:29,500 --> 00:59:26,630
that's the thing I know people

1409
00:59:33,849 --> 00:59:29,510
personally who are normal sane normal

1410
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:33,859
people people who have seen UFOs and I

1411
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:35,089
know a group of three friends who've

1412
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:36,650
seen it and one was telling people in

1413
00:59:40,930 --> 00:59:38,720
the other to like don't tell people it

1414
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:40,940
makes us look weird so he doesn't know

1415
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:44,480
people who've seen who've seen it their

1416
00:59:48,190 --> 00:59:46,250
cases were like a whole town in Texas

1417
00:59:50,770 --> 00:59:48,200
saw something you know that's right or

1418
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:50,780
game for town of Texas in Phoenix

1419
00:59:55,660 --> 00:59:52,880
Arizona there was one case in Phoenix

1420
00:59:58,270 --> 00:59:55,670
Arizona that so many people saw the

1421
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:58,280
Governor of Arizona saw and he Wow he

1422
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:00,160
came out and said I saw these aliens

1423
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:04,130
what do they see they saw a utility this

1424
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:07,130
is the Phoenix lights incident of 1997 a

1425
01:00:12,670 --> 01:00:09,530
great title boomerang craft was seen

1426
01:00:14,890 --> 01:00:12,680
over the City of Phoenix thousands of

1427
01:00:17,049 --> 01:00:14,900
people saw this reported it they sent

1428
01:00:20,890 --> 01:00:17,059
out fighter jets to try to find this

1429
01:00:28,210 --> 01:00:20,900
thing they couldn't find this graduated

1430
01:00:31,420 --> 01:00:28,220
high school so he was really huge people

1431
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:31,430
were seeing giant boomerang that's not

1432
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:39,170
an alien spacecraft so so time to see

1433
01:00:43,180 --> 01:00:40,640
something that's quite like well there's

1434
01:00:44,980 --> 01:00:43,190
another one of the stories in the to me

1435
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,990
was the most substantive and really was

1436
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:46,400
sort of breathtaking was the story of

1437
01:00:51,940 --> 01:00:50,089
the air base in England where the the US

1438
01:00:53,799 --> 01:00:51,950
air force base in England tell us about

1439
01:00:55,630 --> 01:00:53,809
that what they saw on what happened yeah

1440
01:00:57,789 --> 01:00:55,640
so I've been in direct contact with the

1441
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:57,799
key witness to this event this happened

1442
01:01:02,890 --> 01:01:00,319
in 1980 he was in called Rendlesham

1443
01:01:05,140 --> 01:01:02,900
forest this was a forest between two

1444
01:01:07,450 --> 01:01:05,150
joint military bases owned by the United

1445
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:07,460
States in England this is during the

1446
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:09,170
Cold War you know so tensions were high

1447
01:01:14,589 --> 01:01:11,210
we were over there just in case anything

1448
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:14,599
happened so one night this craft is

1449
01:01:21,130 --> 01:01:17,930
caught on radar everyone's seen it

1450
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:21,140
coming in land in the forest and about

1451
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:22,970
260 officers were sent out to

1452
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:24,079
investigate whatever the hell this thing

1453
01:01:28,270 --> 01:01:26,690
because they thought it was maybe a sort

1454
01:01:30,130 --> 01:01:28,280
of foreign actor that was coming in to

1455
01:01:32,380 --> 01:01:30,140
do some nefarious something absolutely

1456
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:32,390
and and what's interesting is at the

1457
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:32,930
time

1458
01:01:37,330 --> 01:01:35,450
were secretly housing nuclear ordnance

1459
01:01:40,060 --> 01:01:37,340
under these bases without England's

1460
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:40,070
knowledge we're able to sneak them in so

1461
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:42,710
of course it's highly sensitive at this

1462
01:01:47,590 --> 01:01:44,690
point if something had occurred you know

1463
01:01:49,630 --> 01:01:47,600
and so they scrambled like 20 military

1464
01:01:51,370 --> 01:01:49,640
police or whatever it takes T 60 okay

1465
01:01:53,530 --> 01:01:51,380
yeah they all ran towards it they all

1466
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:53,540
had to go that that was they didn't know

1467
01:01:57,580 --> 01:01:55,370
what they were walking into they were

1468
01:01:59,320 --> 01:01:57,590
just told to go out there and she would

1469
01:02:01,600 --> 01:01:59,330
you know what they can do

1470
01:02:03,580 --> 01:02:01,610
the base commander this is caught an

1471
01:02:05,530 --> 01:02:03,590
audio as well you can hear that asipi I

1472
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:05,540
heard the audio it's insane it's pretty

1473
01:02:10,420 --> 01:02:08,690
scary yeah and the base commander is

1474
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:10,430
recounting what's going on as this is

1475
01:02:15,070 --> 01:02:12,650
happening and he said that this craft

1476
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:15,080
was directly over the nuclear ordnance

1477
01:02:21,550 --> 01:02:19,250
and disabled it got shuts down and the

1478
01:02:23,950 --> 01:02:21,560
other thing is of 20 these 20 military

1479
01:02:25,930 --> 01:02:23,960
police went to the woods and they all

1480
01:02:28,650 --> 01:02:25,940
saw something that they universally

1481
01:02:31,860 --> 01:02:28,660
reported as beyond any kind of

1482
01:02:33,850 --> 01:02:31,870
possibility of being crafted on at least

1483
01:02:36,130 --> 01:02:33,860
technology that any of these people in

1484
01:02:39,010 --> 01:02:36,140
the [\h__\h] Air Force knew about right

1485
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:39,020
so this is all the way from high-ranking

1486
01:02:42,550 --> 01:02:40,850
military officials down to military

1487
01:02:44,650 --> 01:02:42,560
police all were reporting the same thing

1488
01:02:46,540 --> 01:02:44,660
and then correct me if I'm wrong they

1489
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:46,550
called in somebody else once again to

1490
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:48,410
debunk the thing they called in a higher

1491
01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:50,570
ranking military official who came in

1492
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:53,780
and this saw the exact same thing yeah

1493
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:55,970
there was activity for three nights on

1494
01:03:00,250 --> 01:02:57,650
the base you know once this thing landed

1495
01:03:01,780 --> 01:03:00,260
and supposedly shot off strange lights

1496
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:01,790
were seen over the base for two more

1497
01:03:05,890 --> 01:03:03,650
nights and they could not explain what

1498
01:03:07,390 --> 01:03:05,900
was going on and they were they told all

1499
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,400
the officers never to speak about it

1500
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:09,680
this story only came out about 20 years

1501
01:03:14,350 --> 01:03:12,170
ago or so it's interesting and this was

1502
01:03:16,690 --> 01:03:14,360
not like a you know a you know

1503
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:16,700
traumatized yokel you know just going

1504
01:03:20,260 --> 01:03:18,410
like I saw something in this guy these

1505
01:03:24,190 --> 01:03:20,270
are high-ranking military officials and

1506
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:24,200
also after that the governments of

1507
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:27,890
England and France have come and Belgium

1508
01:03:32,170 --> 01:03:29,450
have all come out with full disclosure

1509
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:32,180
on their UFO programs the UFO

1510
01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:34,130
observation programs and they all report

1511
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:36,710
that there are at least some substantial

1512
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:39,170
cases of UFOs that they cannot explain

1513
01:03:43,660 --> 01:03:41,450
and that were sightings that can't be

1514
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:43,670
explained so other countries have come

1515
01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:43,890
out

1516
01:03:48,140 --> 01:03:45,510
and admit that there and they've like

1517
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,150
found stuff almost every country you can

1518
01:03:53,299 --> 01:03:50,880
think of who has ever investigated UFOs

1519
01:03:55,130 --> 01:03:53,309
you know whether publicly or secretly

1520
01:03:56,599 --> 01:03:55,140
have come forward it said look we've

1521
01:03:58,640 --> 01:03:56,609
looked into it we don't know what's

1522
01:03:59,690 --> 01:03:58,650
going on but here's our files there are

1523
01:04:04,519 --> 01:03:59,700
such [\h__\h]

1524
01:04:07,009 --> 01:04:04,529
the ones are like no no we'll keep this

1525
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:07,019
you're the one in talking to them do you

1526
01:04:12,769 --> 01:04:10,250
think we're actually talking to them I

1527
01:04:14,359 --> 01:04:12,779
mean you've looking at contact to the

1528
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:14,369
movie contact you know that that's where

1529
01:04:17,779 --> 01:04:14,730
SETI

1530
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:17,789
oh it's so good really good well I have

1531
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:19,200
a I but I don't know if there's a funny

1532
01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:20,730
story but it's an odd story

1533
01:04:25,460 --> 01:04:23,369
I saw contact and I was so taken with it

1534
01:04:28,759 --> 01:04:25,470
I was like you wouldn't have come out

1535
01:04:31,700 --> 01:04:28,769
like 95 no it was later it was like 97

1536
01:04:33,170 --> 01:04:31,710
or so I was I was just like in awe of

1537
01:04:35,180 --> 01:04:33,180
the film it like really got my brain

1538
01:04:38,420 --> 01:04:35,190
going and I'm like I gotta get in my car

1539
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:38,430
and drive into the hills to look at the

1540
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:41,010
moon so I did I got into this like 93

1541
01:04:44,329 --> 01:04:42,930
Saturn and I drove up into the Oakland

1542
01:04:45,710 --> 01:04:44,339
Hills and I didn't bring any shoes

1543
01:04:47,539 --> 01:04:45,720
because I was like it's like 2:00 in the

1544
01:04:49,609 --> 01:04:47,549
morning I'm just gonna go ponder the

1545
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:49,619
cosmos right and I'm up there I'm

1546
01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:50,880
sitting on the hood I'm just having like

1547
01:04:54,859 --> 01:04:52,710
a moment with God and the moon or

1548
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:54,869
whatever and I have no shoes on I'm way

1549
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:56,490
up in the Oakland Hills and I pull I'm

1550
01:05:01,460 --> 01:04:58,170
like okay well I've looked at the moon

1551
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,470
for a while and I pull out I start the

1552
01:05:07,940 --> 01:05:03,599
car and I pull back and the car pulls up

1553
01:05:10,249 --> 01:05:07,950
over a boulder and I'm stuck I like

1554
01:05:12,349 --> 01:05:10,259
can't move the car I see that no cell

1555
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:12,359
phone is as pre cell phone times no

1556
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:15,599
shoes and I had to walk three miles down

1557
01:05:21,170 --> 01:05:18,450
a winding the Oakland Hills Road

1558
01:05:22,759 --> 01:05:21,180
barefoot to this hotel where I walk in

1559
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:22,769
at like 4:00 in the morning barefoot

1560
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:25,710
like you guys have a payphone yeah you

1561
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:28,400
guys seen the movie condom

1562
01:05:33,940 --> 01:05:30,079
they're like yeah people come here all

1563
01:05:37,690 --> 01:05:33,950
the time I've been pondering yeah we got

1564
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:37,700
another shoeless contact there it's been

1565
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:39,440
happening for ten years the movies only

1566
01:05:44,529 --> 01:05:42,319
been out for two Ryan so let's see the

1567
01:05:46,029 --> 01:05:44,539
video that was that came out a month ago

1568
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:46,039
that that was another one of those

1569
01:05:49,870 --> 01:05:47,359
videos that came out with the the

1570
01:05:51,549 --> 01:05:49,880
Pentagon guy that they they released one

1571
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:51,559
of the videos were they yes I mean the

1572
01:05:55,989 --> 01:05:53,359
big part of that Pentagon story was

1573
01:05:57,849 --> 01:05:55,999
video footage that came officially from

1574
01:06:00,999 --> 01:05:57,859
the Department of Defense and these were

1575
01:06:03,099 --> 01:06:01,009
two videos that were from the gun camera

1576
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:03,109
footage from the fighter pilots were

1577
01:06:07,989 --> 01:06:05,359
sent to investigate these UFOs and

1578
01:06:09,609 --> 01:06:07,999
you're listening to them and these

1579
01:06:11,499 --> 01:06:09,619
pilots are like completely out of

1580
01:06:11,799 --> 01:06:11,509
character they're like what the [\h__\h] is

1581
01:06:16,539 --> 01:06:11,809
that

1582
01:06:18,099 --> 01:06:16,549
know what it is yeah it's it was pretty

1583
01:06:21,130 --> 01:06:18,109
freaky and the footage itself is

1584
01:06:23,529 --> 01:06:21,140
extremely yeah of the really objects are

1585
01:06:25,509 --> 01:06:23,539
moving uh you know zipping around at

1586
01:06:27,759 --> 01:06:25,519
breakneck speeds that no human could

1587
01:06:29,410 --> 01:06:27,769
survive if it's just and that's what's

1588
01:06:32,589 --> 01:06:29,420
really interesting and these videos were

1589
01:06:34,779 --> 01:06:32,599
leaked by the head of the program yeah a

1590
01:06:36,910 --> 01:06:34,789
program yeah that's a program so he

1591
01:06:38,979 --> 01:06:36,920
could talk about this right and what he

1592
01:06:40,359 --> 01:06:38,989
quit so he could be like something's

1593
01:06:43,269 --> 01:06:40,369
happening it's like every other country

1594
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:43,279
in the [\h__\h] world it seems like 182

1595
01:06:48,609 --> 01:06:45,680
involved in this somehow - yeah that

1596
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:48,619
guy's like he's be pays much along so

1597
01:06:55,779 --> 01:06:51,200
yeah so bi all the small things as a

1598
01:06:56,890 --> 01:06:55,789
Python all the small little men it's

1599
01:06:58,450 --> 01:06:56,900
interesting because a lot of the

1600
01:07:00,700 --> 01:06:58,460
information about UFOs that's come out

1601
01:07:02,049 --> 01:07:00,710
has comes from very wealthy people if

1602
01:07:05,380 --> 01:07:02,059
you have money you're able to get the

1603
01:07:06,940 --> 01:07:05,390
information so Tom DeLonge all through

1604
01:07:09,099 --> 01:07:06,950
his time in blink-182 had been

1605
01:07:11,109 --> 01:07:09,109
investigating UFOs researching the topic

1606
01:07:15,249 --> 01:07:11,119
so whenever they were touring you see oh

1607
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:15,259
they were to Roswell all the time can

1608
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:16,609
you imagine marrying someone from banner

1609
01:07:19,329 --> 01:07:18,079
going oh it's great he's got so much

1610
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:19,339
money in American you never believe

1611
01:07:23,739 --> 01:07:22,130
where he spends it on god I do well the

1612
01:07:25,269 --> 01:07:23,749
child support he spends on alien

1613
01:07:28,469 --> 01:07:25,279
investigations what a waste

1614
01:07:30,729 --> 01:07:28,479
my girlfriend go Steve that

1615
01:07:33,819 --> 01:07:30,739
she's here tonight ladies and gentlemen

1616
01:07:36,969 --> 01:07:33,829
wait you're at blink 182 look with that

1617
01:07:39,789 --> 01:07:36,979
haircut your clothes what tell me some

1618
01:07:41,620 --> 01:07:39,799
more of the like tell me one more of the

1619
01:07:42,910 --> 01:07:41,630
stories of the anecdotal stories from

1620
01:07:44,469 --> 01:07:42,920
your book or from the people that you've

1621
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:44,479
talked to that really like what are some

1622
01:07:50,259 --> 01:07:45,920
of the most spine-tingling stories that

1623
01:07:52,059 --> 01:07:50,269
you've heard about one or just the ones

1624
01:07:54,279 --> 01:07:52,069
that are hard to a future like I mean so

1625
01:07:55,509 --> 01:07:54,289
many people right so the ones I find

1626
01:07:57,219 --> 01:07:55,519
most interesting is when there's more

1627
01:07:59,079 --> 01:07:57,229
than one witness I mean you have

1628
01:08:00,999 --> 01:07:59,089
cooperating everything's at that point

1629
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:01,009
you know what I mean and there was one

1630
01:08:06,009 --> 01:08:03,440
where a mother and her two daughters

1631
01:08:09,009 --> 01:08:06,019
they witnessed a triangular craft this

1632
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:09,019
is in Michigan and so it's floating

1633
01:08:13,689 --> 01:08:11,690
above their house and one of the

1634
01:08:15,729 --> 01:08:13,699
daughters is outside with the mother the

1635
01:08:18,189 --> 01:08:15,739
mother is like staring up at this thing

1636
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:18,199
she thinks it's amazing she's in aa she

1637
01:08:22,539 --> 01:08:20,329
feels euphoric and the daughters right

1638
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:22,549
next to her like covering her ears and

1639
01:08:27,849 --> 01:08:25,369
saying how unbearably loud it is and how

1640
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:27,859
it's like gonna kill them and the mother

1641
01:08:35,859 --> 01:08:32,719
couldn't hear anything so it whoa what

1642
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:35,869
is what do you from that that one really

1643
01:08:40,539 --> 01:08:37,730
mystified me I mean they're they're

1644
01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:40,549
clearly looking I think at the same

1645
01:08:44,169 --> 01:08:42,710
object but having completely different

1646
01:08:46,059 --> 01:08:44,179
percentage you know your ears up until

1647
01:08:48,010 --> 01:08:46,069
the age of 18 can pick up sounds that an

1648
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:48,020
8-pound that's right they do it a lot of

1649
01:08:54,220 --> 01:08:49,730
shopping centers maybe she was that's

1650
01:08:56,169 --> 01:08:54,230
right yeah because they malls sometimes

1651
01:08:56,649 --> 01:08:56,179
they play these sounds to stop kids are

1652
01:09:00,700 --> 01:08:56,659
loitering

1653
01:09:01,330 --> 01:09:00,710
because yeah age of 18 years recalled

1654
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:01,340
easily

1655
01:09:09,919 --> 01:09:07,310
[Laughter]

1656
01:09:11,689 --> 01:09:09,929
that's the end of the show good

1657
01:09:13,129 --> 01:09:11,699
I mean that's a good point for us too

1658
01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:13,139
are there any questions from the

1659
01:09:20,599 --> 01:09:17,819
audience let's take a couple question

1660
01:09:24,849 --> 01:09:20,609
here are any of you more convinced of

1661
01:09:27,769 --> 01:09:24,859
UFOs now I was already pretty convinced

1662
01:09:30,410 --> 01:09:27,779
I'm more convinced that I was and also

1663
01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:30,420
we'll have to take a lot of medication

1664
01:09:35,209 --> 01:09:33,179
to sleep tonight yeah I still I I've

1665
01:09:37,879 --> 01:09:35,219
always believed in aliens I think it's

1666
01:09:41,300 --> 01:09:37,889
ridiculous not to the UFOs thing I still

1667
01:09:43,999 --> 01:09:41,310
I think I have a question over our mass

1668
01:09:46,669 --> 01:09:44,009
hysteria and psychologically what we

1669
01:09:48,589 --> 01:09:46,679
what we actually do as groups even even

1670
01:09:50,899 --> 01:09:48,599
things like looking up before airplanes

1671
01:09:52,490 --> 01:09:50,909
or even the start everything's did we

1672
01:09:55,010 --> 01:09:52,500
ever look up as much as we do and how

1673
01:09:58,220 --> 01:09:55,020
much to be that that's fair enough

1674
01:10:00,770 --> 01:09:58,230
what refuted to me is like it's 12

1675
01:10:02,839 --> 01:10:00,780
military police on an Air Force Base and

1676
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:02,849
a major seeing a spacecraft right in

1677
01:10:06,379 --> 01:10:04,530
front of them doesn't feel like to me

1678
01:10:10,339 --> 01:10:06,389
maybe there's mass hysteria in the

1679
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:10,349
military but it just feels like a mass

1680
01:10:15,379 --> 01:10:13,440
hysteria me it's more like why why in a

1681
01:10:17,089 --> 01:10:15,389
military area you're like oh maybe there

1682
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:17,099
is some kind of from another country

1683
01:10:20,750 --> 01:10:18,960
going to a military area why in that

1684
01:10:22,430 --> 01:10:20,760
particular is that what could they there

1685
01:10:24,530 --> 01:10:22,440
are other the question cases of them

1686
01:10:26,209 --> 01:10:24,540
like going gravitating towards nuclear

1687
01:10:27,410 --> 01:10:26,219
weapons and stuff it doesn't that

1688
01:10:29,300 --> 01:10:27,420
happens a bunch of times oh absolutely

1689
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:29,310
yeah the Rendlesham when we mentioned

1690
01:10:32,899 --> 01:10:31,530
there was one in Montana where it went

1691
01:10:34,580 --> 01:10:32,909
over the base and shut him down again

1692
01:10:37,399 --> 01:10:34,590
there's one a Germany where it turned

1693
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:37,409
them on it oh yeah well yours turned you

1694
01:10:43,850 --> 01:10:41,520
on a little bit too right they would go

1695
01:10:45,890 --> 01:10:43,860
where our technology is best right if

1696
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:45,900
they want to learn about us like like I

1697
01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:47,610
was saying we always put it something to

1698
01:10:52,189 --> 01:10:49,560
our perspective so whether it's language

1699
01:10:53,540 --> 01:10:52,199
or it's military or it's war we put it

1700
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:53,550
within ours perspective like oh they

1701
01:11:02,149 --> 01:10:55,440
would go to a military base and for me

1702
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:02,159
that's a really human connection looking

1703
01:11:08,540 --> 01:11:05,489
for like good technic our most advanced

1704
01:11:11,330 --> 01:11:08,550
technology would make sense that's again

1705
01:11:12,649 --> 01:11:11,340
it has to be to do with technology alien

1706
01:11:13,939 --> 01:11:12,659
life we always have to go oh it has to

1707
01:11:16,129 --> 01:11:13,949
be technology it wouldn't be an organic

1708
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:16,139
matter we can't even oh but they do

1709
01:11:18,959 --> 01:11:17,650
everything there

1710
01:11:21,209 --> 01:11:18,969
you know anal probing but although

1711
01:11:22,620 --> 01:11:21,219
they're going to that's good a lot a

1712
01:11:24,750 --> 01:11:22,630
really good spot there's a lot of

1713
01:11:28,820 --> 01:11:24,760
organic matter inside of an [\h__\h] so

1714
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:31,919
hey so you've looked at so many of these

1715
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:33,130
cases you guys are talking about you

1716
01:11:35,820 --> 01:11:34,480
know though they're stopping over

1717
01:11:37,530 --> 01:11:35,830
military bases it's stuff about

1718
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:37,540
technology you've looked at so many of

1719
01:11:41,820 --> 01:11:39,040
these over time I mean are there any

1720
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:41,830
particular like odd details or recurring

1721
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:43,510
details they're just like what could

1722
01:11:47,790 --> 01:11:45,370
that possibly be like why would this

1723
01:11:51,149 --> 01:11:47,800
happen so much like sort of strange

1724
01:11:54,180 --> 01:11:51,159
things yeah I think for me at least it's

1725
01:11:56,850 --> 01:11:54,190
the way it impacts people actually it's

1726
01:11:58,590 --> 01:11:56,860
not even like the data or the evidence

1727
01:12:01,020 --> 01:11:58,600
of the thing happening it's how it

1728
01:12:02,130 --> 01:12:01,030
actually affected people afterwards and

1729
01:12:03,780 --> 01:12:02,140
sort of open them up to the

1730
01:12:06,810 --> 01:12:03,790
possibilities yeah you're wanting a

1731
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:06,820
ufologist badge right now it really did

1732
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:09,520
a number on you yeah is there anything

1733
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:11,440
that doesn't connect with what we see is

1734
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:13,449
aliens so again like the spacecraft that

1735
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:15,489
the the grey man whatever it is is there

1736
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:17,199
anything that like people have seen that

1737
01:12:20,939 --> 01:12:18,370
have felt something that just doesn't

1738
01:12:22,770 --> 01:12:20,949
connect with a sort of the cartoon of

1739
01:12:24,180 --> 01:12:22,780
what we think are UFOs oh yes the

1740
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:24,190
triangles whatever it is yeah I mean

1741
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:25,840
there's like there's the narrative of

1742
01:12:30,959 --> 01:12:28,330
you know that the flying saucer the

1743
01:12:32,510 --> 01:12:30,969
little grey aliens um that we see over

1744
01:12:35,820 --> 01:12:32,520
and over and over again but they're so

1745
01:12:39,090 --> 01:12:35,830
crazy bizarre cases out there of like

1746
01:12:48,209 --> 01:12:39,100
you know seven foot tall Nordic aliens

1747
01:12:50,820 --> 01:12:48,219
you know Nordic what do you want an

1748
01:12:52,919 --> 01:12:50,830
octopus or it's all northern very hard

1749
01:12:55,290 --> 01:12:52,929
do not really like that because there

1750
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:55,300
are a few people who are less sound for

1751
01:13:00,339 --> 01:12:57,730
tall Nordic than me

1752
01:13:01,899 --> 01:13:00,349
it's just a flavor she's been having for

1753
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:01,909
a while so it's like you know it's it's

1754
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:03,650
in the idea other you know what I mean

1755
01:13:06,879 --> 01:13:05,510
right now cuz I always I love chocolate

1756
01:13:10,810 --> 01:13:06,889
but every now and then it's like let's

1757
01:13:12,729 --> 01:13:10,820
try a sound foot-tall is there anybody

1758
01:13:17,010 --> 01:13:12,739
who came tonight who didn't believe who

1759
01:13:21,010 --> 01:13:17,020
now thinks that it's possible that it's

1760
01:13:22,750 --> 01:13:21,020
from you why oh just um all the military

1761
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:22,760
examples you were bringing up it sounds

1762
01:13:25,359 --> 01:13:23,840
pretty legit and I want to do some

1763
01:13:30,010 --> 01:13:25,369
research now yeah because our military

1764
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:30,020
would never lie and again I leave that's

1765
01:13:33,939 --> 01:13:32,000
actually a really good point man but the

1766
01:13:35,290 --> 01:13:33,949
fact that I don't I don't personally

1767
01:13:36,609 --> 01:13:35,300
believe the government is ever gonna

1768
01:13:38,350 --> 01:13:36,619
tell us the truth about what they know

1769
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:38,360
because honestly I don't think they know

1770
01:13:42,399 --> 01:13:40,610
a lot yeah what's going on you know that

1771
01:13:44,260 --> 01:13:42,409
they they don't they don't control

1772
01:13:46,209 --> 01:13:44,270
what's happening in our skies but they

1773
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:46,219
can control the information that they

1774
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:47,210
give to the pub I want to project

1775
01:13:51,700 --> 01:13:49,730
confidence absolutely and I don't think

1776
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:51,710
disclosure as they call it is ever gonna

1777
01:13:55,930 --> 01:13:53,449
come from the government so like if you

1778
01:13:57,370 --> 01:13:55,940
see something just it's like you know

1779
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,380
the subways if you see something say

1780
01:14:01,720 --> 01:13:59,360
something you know there's a hundred

1781
01:14:04,060 --> 01:14:01,730
thousand UFO reports a year on average

1782
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:04,070
you would you recommend people report

1783
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:06,650
UFO sightings it seems like every person

1784
01:14:11,260 --> 01:14:09,110
that does is ridiculed and like it

1785
01:14:14,050 --> 01:14:11,270
becomes a mistake in their lives I see

1786
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:14,060
that changing they call it like I see an

1787
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:16,159
a like that the NIE seem an unidentified

1788
01:14:19,839 --> 01:14:18,290
flying object usually like what the hell

1789
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:19,849
is this well Dennis Kucinich and that

1790
01:14:23,020 --> 01:14:21,770
presidential debate they asked me a UFO

1791
01:14:29,979 --> 01:14:23,030
and he was like well yeah but it wasn't

1792
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:29,989
his presidential so but you'd still say

1793
01:14:32,649 --> 01:14:31,280
do it why do you think it's important to

1794
01:14:34,330 --> 01:14:32,659
report these I think it's extremely

1795
01:14:36,220 --> 01:14:34,340
important because it gives us something

1796
01:14:39,310 --> 01:14:36,230
to work off of instead of you know these

1797
01:14:41,470 --> 01:14:39,320
cases from 1947 and stuff like that I

1798
01:14:43,959 --> 01:14:41,480
think the more people the more credible

1799
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:43,969
people military or academics or

1800
01:14:47,979 --> 01:14:45,920
scientists that come forward or everyday

1801
01:14:49,629 --> 01:14:47,989
people you know just see something when

1802
01:14:51,580 --> 01:14:49,639
they look up if they report it that's

1803
01:14:53,589 --> 01:14:51,590
more things that we can look into and

1804
01:14:55,419 --> 01:14:53,599
bring it to the government be like like

1805
01:14:57,310 --> 01:14:55,429
tell us what you know are the roads

1806
01:14:58,990 --> 01:14:57,320
going up given that we all have video

1807
01:15:01,629 --> 01:14:59,000
cameras in our pockets at all times that

1808
01:15:04,180 --> 01:15:01,639
is a really good question um to my

1809
01:15:07,339 --> 01:15:04,190
knowledge the amount of UFOs reported

1810
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:11,540
because I back to me makes it less the

1811
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:13,770
fact that we can capture the images now

1812
01:15:18,890 --> 01:15:17,010
and we're not we are not nobody is that

1813
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:18,900
that's the kind of the point is there's

1814
01:15:25,250 --> 01:15:23,730
more radios but not more sightings that

1815
01:15:26,540 --> 01:15:25,260
what you're saying I think so in it's

1816
01:15:28,580 --> 01:15:26,550
tough because that is the biggest

1817
01:15:31,069 --> 01:15:28,590
conundrum I think in today's you know

1818
01:15:32,899 --> 01:15:31,079
technological world is that we have the

1819
01:15:36,379 --> 01:15:32,909
technology to just look up and take a

1820
01:15:37,819 --> 01:15:36,389
picture and we don't you know this might

1821
01:15:39,410 --> 01:15:37,829
seem like a jump but if you look at

1822
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:39,420
what's happening with race in America so

1823
01:15:52,430 --> 01:15:50,159
much stuff is getting that well Pakistan

1824
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,440
is a country classically depopulated of

1825
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:54,719
seven-foot-tall [\h__\h] aliens and they

1826
01:15:59,780 --> 01:15:57,090
just think time for us to talk about it

1827
01:16:01,280 --> 01:15:59,790
finish my point is that what most people

1828
01:16:03,169 --> 01:16:01,290
are saying the incidents aren't new

1829
01:16:05,209 --> 01:16:03,179
what's being what's new is that we can

1830
01:16:06,740 --> 01:16:05,219
finally capture them and go this is

1831
01:16:08,180 --> 01:16:06,750
happening can someone finally be held

1832
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:08,190
accountable they're also less around

1833
01:16:15,410 --> 01:16:13,530
because we can that is true but at least

1834
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:15,420
like things are being captured so we're

1835
01:16:19,330 --> 01:16:17,280
seeing more stuff so it's something

1836
01:16:21,709 --> 01:16:19,340
where for years you're like it was only

1837
01:16:23,450 --> 01:16:21,719
witness reports because how else would

1838
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:23,460
you do it other than a witness board now

1839
01:16:28,220 --> 01:16:25,199
there's all the technology to capture

1840
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:28,230
stuff and yet people aren't capturing

1841
01:16:32,750 --> 01:16:31,170
anything is there are there are there

1842
01:16:34,220 --> 01:16:32,760
was audio and there are pictures and

1843
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:34,230
there is video or there is not oh yeah

1844
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,210
you know it's out there but like you

1845
01:16:39,649 --> 01:16:38,400
said it's disseminating the the truth

1846
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:39,659
from the fiction at this point like

1847
01:16:43,729 --> 01:16:41,940
there's apps that you can insert UFOs

1848
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:43,739
into your picture right like where do we

1849
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:45,810
go from there right I guess yeah is

1850
01:16:49,609 --> 01:16:47,520
there anybody with a burning question

1851
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:49,619
one final part yes all the way in the

1852
01:17:00,979 --> 01:16:59,149
we're right across the street from those

1853
01:17:02,060 --> 01:17:00,989
[\h__\h] you could talk aliens in

1854
01:17:04,069 --> 01:17:02,070
the government all night long but don't

1855
01:17:06,290 --> 01:17:04,079
you ever impugn Scientology

1856
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:06,300
ladies gentlemen that's our show thank

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you so much

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applause Ryan spray Kumail Nanjiani

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Emily Gordon

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Aisling B thank you very much them come

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back and see us again on the hotel

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discussion series here at the UCB

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theatre the second Wednesday of every

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somewhere in the skies is produced by

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Third Kind productions in association

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with the entertainment one podcast